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Tommy_Carcetti

(44,605 posts)
73. You've got a lot to learn, but I hope you do.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:02 PM
Dec 2012

Unfortunately, I think you've been conditioned by the right wing talking heads and that's a lot of bullshit to deal with here. I hear a lot of strawmen from you that have been repeated ad nauseum by Rush Limbaugh and the like.

You seem most preoccupied on the gun issue. What else can I say except very few Democrats and liberals want a total ban on all guns. They simply want reasonable restrictions on sales, licensing, waiting periods, allowable types of weapons, where they can be carried, etc. Personally, I'm not going to knock anyone if they have a pistol in their home in a safe and secure location for self-protection. I'm a little uneasy about CCW but that's a subject for debate. It's when people who have serious mental problems are allowed to legally purchase weapons capable of holding high capacity clips without so much as a sneeze where I have a real issue. But the NRA controls the debate and any attempt to discuss any regulation of weapons by calling anyone who dares breach the subject a "gun grabber" or "prohibitionist." Sadly--as you learn--we can't even have that debate on here, a liberal message board.

Taxes are not punishment. They are a matter of paying one's fair proportional share as part of living in a civilized society. No one is being punished for making a lot of money, they simply are being asked to chip in a proper part of what they make so that everyone, including those rich people, continue to benefit. A tax system geared towards the consumer middle class benefits everyone. A tax system geared toward the benefit of the very top, such as a flat tax system, cannot sustain itself. Trickle down is a farce. And flat taxes are woefully unfair on the lower income earners who must give a greater share of their income than those who make a lot.

Regarding race, affirmative action is not quotas. The idea that a lesser qualified minority is hired over a more qualified caucasian simply due to race alone is a fiction served to you by the RW blabber mouths. Affirmative action simply means race can be one factor among many to be considered in hiring or admission. Take it like this: If I have a minority candidate and a white candidate, both with equal qualifications, and minorities are greatly underrepresented in my company or my school, I have no problem with choosing the minority based on that additional factor above the basic qualifications.

Greater access to contraception means less selective abortions. To me, everybody wins in that scenario. If only the stubborn minded leaders of my church were able to pull their heads out their collective asses to realize that simple fact instead of creating non-existent controversies......

Regarding environmental protection, the idea that enviromnetalists want you to live in trees or only ride bikes is another Rush parrot point. Environmentalists are actually the most forward thinking, progress oriented people out there. They don't want to be tied to old non-renewable sources of energy. They want to develop new, cheap, clean and ultra efficient means of renewable sources of energy. The ones stuck in the past are the people in the oil and coal industries who don't want to change and want us stuck with energy sources that are both dirty and finite. Again, turn off the Rush.

And healthcare is a right. Period. There is no reason why a rich person should have access to a life saving medical operation and a poor person should not. If you don't understand that, better check your soul. (Not to mention that not all rich people are rich because of "hard work." Paris Hilton, anyone?)

Fast and the Furious is a manufactured scandal. So is Bengazi. The republicans desperately want anything to try to bring a Democratic president down, no matter how baseless. It's why they impeached a popular Democratic president over a white lie about a personal matter in an irrelevant line of questioning in a politically motivated lawsuit.

As to drugs, I'm a bit of a moderate on that issue compared to some others here. As to marijuana, I'm for legalization for legitimate medical use and decriminalization for recreational use. I don't see any benefit, however, into legalizing harder drugs such as heroin, cocaine or meth. I do think that as it relates to users of those drugs, the emphasis should be on treatment and not punishment.

It's sad that you've let your position on guns govern your vote. There is one issue (I don't feel the need to mention which one) where my beliefs fall outside the typical Democratic/liberal zeitgeist (although I don't think they fall in the Republican/conservative catagory either), but I don't let that govern my vote. Don't be a slave to single issue voting. Don't vote against your own best interest.

Good night and good luck! Hope we help you on the right track!

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Why should I vote Democratic? [View all] HonEur12 Dec 2012 OP
Did you vote for Mitt Romney? ProSense Dec 2012 #1
No. HonEur12 Dec 2012 #2
Did you vote for President Obama? n/t ProSense Dec 2012 #3
Yes. HonEur12 Dec 2012 #10
Eureka! ProSense Dec 2012 #13
If you're being sincere about voting for President Obama, you're off to a great start. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #14
Less than a week! GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #4
It's Democratic n/t malaise Dec 2012 #5
Well: ProSense Dec 2012 #6
Bwaaaaaaaaaaah hahahaha malaise Dec 2012 #25
Thank you n/t HonEur12 Dec 2012 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Dec 2012 #8
Come on BainsBane Dec 2012 #11
As a vet you've earned the nation's respect BainsBane Dec 2012 #9
Good points HonEur12 Dec 2012 #15
"Gun people", Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #29
And that should be clear ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #31
yeah, Obama has been great business for the gun companies BainsBane Dec 2012 #34
If you ask me most "gun people" Moses2SandyKoufax Dec 2012 #35
Obama hasn't shown any desire to take away gun right. His one act in this area was to bluestate10 Dec 2012 #56
Ill bite: You should vote Democratic because the alternative rDigital Dec 2012 #12
Don't take this the wrong way... Kalidurga Dec 2012 #16
healthcare BainsBane Dec 2012 #17
I suggest you take time to do some critical thinking upaloopa Dec 2012 #18
Its been a long time HonEur12 Dec 2012 #24
That's the purpose of critical thinking. upaloopa Dec 2012 #30
A good source for the healthcare law BainsBane Dec 2012 #45
The purpose of the health care law is to reduce costs in the system and save the Government bluestate10 Dec 2012 #57
Hello.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #19
Well, stick around and you can learn a lot without anyone spoon-feeding you Hekate Dec 2012 #20
I knew it wasn't the best approach HonEur12 Dec 2012 #27
What's wrong with the OP's approach? democrattotheend Dec 2012 #50
In order: geek tragedy Dec 2012 #21
birthcontrol BainsBane Dec 2012 #22
You are the only person who can answer that. Use the web to gather information and educate yourself. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #23
You are young, but remember with age comes wisdom Bandit Dec 2012 #26
Because our side doesn't have a Glenn Beck or a Rush Limbaugh. We are sane & rational, they are JaneyVee Dec 2012 #28
Your concern is noted krawhitham Dec 2012 #32
Affirmative action BainsBane Dec 2012 #33
Some elite schools are rejecting Asians in favor of Whites and other races, because bluestate10 Dec 2012 #58
point by point, on the off chance you are not a troll... magical thyme Dec 2012 #36
Ask yourself ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #37
no huts in the jungles BainsBane Dec 2012 #38
An answer to some of your questions. Selatius Dec 2012 #39
Fast and Furious BainsBane Dec 2012 #40
You shouldn't... You are a Republican. XRubicon Dec 2012 #41
who voted for Obama BainsBane Dec 2012 #43
thank you HonEur12 Dec 2012 #46
Maybe you could summarize what you learned here XRubicon Dec 2012 #48
To start... HonEur12 Dec 2012 #62
I don't even want to know how Glenn Beck frames birth control. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #65
He is a republican who is trying to have dialog. I think his views are mis-directed, but bluestate10 Dec 2012 #59
Point by point Warpy Dec 2012 #42
I don't care too much about guns hfojvt Dec 2012 #44
This is very good. HonEur12 Dec 2012 #47
it's not about making it a better business hfojvt Dec 2012 #53
I learned in college that businesses only pay taxes on gross income. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #60
I think you probablty meant "net" income hfojvt Dec 2012 #64
Sir, 1% of this country's population controls 40% of its wealth (and 10% controls coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #49
My #1 issue is abortion rights, also. So I will just say this. If your girlfriend (who may have forestpath Dec 2012 #51
Alot of misinformation in one post quaker bill Dec 2012 #52
From where you come from tama Dec 2012 #54
My response to each of your points. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #55
Kick Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #61
the election was a month ago, dude arely staircase Dec 2012 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #66
You should not vote for Democrats. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #67
Very good points. HonEur12 Dec 2012 #68
A real response would go point by point, as I did. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #70
Why is it "punishment" to pay higher taxes when you earn more? treestar Dec 2012 #69
Sigh. HughBeaumont Dec 2012 #71
So as you are pushing RW memes why should we not regard you as a troll? intaglio Dec 2012 #72
You've got a lot to learn, but I hope you do. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #73
Legalize Lonnie Anderson's Hair. H2O Man Dec 2012 #74
Read the 1956 Republican Party Platform. raouldukelives Dec 2012 #75
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