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74. It is impossible to overemphasize the wrongness of what you just said.

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 12:51 PM

Dec 2012

One of the most destructive aspects of this whole debt debacle, ever since it started, has been the unconscionable decision by our Democratic President and corporate Democrats in Congress to validate the right-wing narrative and framing of what is wrong with our economy and what needs to happen to fix it.

Our Democrats had from Day One of this Presidency to correct the lies about austerity and change the narrative. They chose instead to play along.

What used to be understood as REPUBLICAN lies and talking points about the economy and the deficit were transformed into a devastating NATIONAL, BIPARTISAN narrative that we now have to fight against every single day.

Every single time Democrats reinforce this narrative, it is damaging to the country.

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Alarms Go Off as Obama Plays Footsie with Raising Medicare Age [View all] xchrom Dec 2012 OP

Everything I have heard, including Congressional Democrats they will NOT raise the age of Medicare. still_one Dec 2012 #1

Democrats/Liberals/Progressives claim ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #41

Ezra Klein started the panic last week... DonViejo Dec 2012 #59

Uh, seems the choice is... pipoman Dec 2012 #2

Actually "tort reform" Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #80

Closing the courthouse door... shrdlu Dec 2012 #110

I've met people who are 60-65 and either don't have a job or have a job amandabeech Dec 2012 #154

Right on schedule Doctor_J Dec 2012 #3

This same prediction was made over and over throughout Obama's first term. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #4

You mean the one about extending the Bush tax cuts? Doctor_J Dec 2012 #5

And when the age doesn't go up .... what will you be saying? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #15

I am sure there will be a long list of excuses when SS & Medicare get cut, too Doctor_J Dec 2012 #20

He's letting the GOP flail. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #24

Ah, that one again Doctor_J Dec 2012 #49

He's already said that while he's willling to look for savings and efficiencies in JoePhilly Dec 2012 #105

Exactly ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #129

"...why didn't he take cuts off the table in the interview?" KansDem Dec 2012 #27

Actually, if you pay attention ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #108

When the age doesn't go up they will do what they've done for the last 4 years...silence uponit7771 Dec 2012 #29

No, we will credit the huge coalition formed before the election of Unions and Progressive sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #103

CORRECT Skittles Dec 2012 #140

Actually ... I think many of them will claim credit ... after all ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #106

Ranting on DU has no merit unless they are part of the huge coalition of Progressive Orgs and sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #160

if they fail to cut Medicare now Enrique Dec 2012 #32

Think about this ... imagine if Obama lost the 2012 election. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #100

Shhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #44

They'll find something else to say he's going to do. MineralMan Dec 2012 #96

That's my bet as well. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #98

+1000 It is the wrong direction, period BlueStreak Dec 2012 #26

Ah...the half truth postings are back...., these get ignored by non fudr crowed uponit7771 Dec 2012 #28

And right on schedule, the same bullshit FUD is being spread again NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #12

All Obama has to do is say "We will not raise the eligibility age. That is not negotiable." BlueStreak Dec 2012 #36

We have had this discussion before ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #48

It is impossible to overemphasize the wrongness of what you just said. woo me with science Dec 2012 #74

How is what you wrote ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #86

I HEAR YOU WOO ME Skittles Dec 2012 #104

Yeah, but you are doing the woo woo thing, as in non-rational, biased & baseless speculation. patrice Dec 2012 #128

actually, that sounds more like you Skittles Dec 2012 #134

Anyone who respects rationalism admits the possibility of error, UNLIKE the anti-Obama woo woo going patrice Dec 2012 #145

You never do. :) woo me with science Dec 2012 #163

The only ones reinforcing are YOU. And the reason you are reinforcing it is because patrice Dec 2012 #120

You're the ones taking an extremely limited & VERY selective set of information & PROPAGANDIZING patrice Dec 2012 #121

It's impossible to overemphasize the wrongness of your methodology = REALLY suspicious patrice Dec 2012 #122

why are you replying three times to the same post? Skittles Dec 2012 #137

Who made you the police of this board? Are you a fascist? Do all of us have to do things your way? patrice Dec 2012 #138

take your meds, darling Skittles Dec 2012 #142

Ridicule, the first resort of the impotent. & I'm not even sure that it can be said that I drink, patrice Dec 2012 #146

Are you capable of guessing why? nt patrice Dec 2012 #139

I do not have to GUESS why Skittles Dec 2012 #141

So, "enlighten" us if you will please&thanks. nt patrice Dec 2012 #147

I don't know how to make it clearer that every time this claim has been NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #60

Because people rose up in anger at the attempts to sell us out BlueStreak Dec 2012 #63

See, Obama can do no good. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #69

His natural position is center-right -- not far from Bush BlueStreak Dec 2012 #72

Completely ir-respective of context or process, why is that? nt patrice Dec 2012 #152

Exactly correct: the Common Dreams Pseudo-Progressives have as high an opinion of themselves alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #82

They're all buzzzzzzzed on themselves & what they MISTAKE for power = FASCISM. & that's patrice Dec 2012 #123

+1,000,000,001 ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #89

And if it weren't this issue, it'd be another, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT ABOUT SOLIDARITY. nt patrice Dec 2012 #125

Please NEVER negotiate anything. You'd be a disaster. nt patrice Dec 2012 #115

Exactly! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #45

FUDrs are coming back in force, don't know why...Obama can't be re-eleccted uponit7771 Dec 2012 #58

They're beside themselves with rage that they didn't get their "I Told You So" moment alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #84

That's precisely what's going on & they'll NEVER admit that they don't KNOW enough to arrive at patrice Dec 2012 #118

Right on Schedule. The "we can't trust Obama" naysayers show up. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #14

He's not caving. This is the "Debt Ceiling/Grand Bargain" sequel. Marr Dec 2012 #81

Lower - that's L-O-W-E-R, the age of Medicare eligibility. byeya Dec 2012 #6

He doesn't have the stomach for taking on Big Insurance and Big Pharma Doctor_J Dec 2012 #8

"Who does he think is going to vote for him if .... " JoePhilly Dec 2012 #25

He is running, right now BlueStreak Dec 2012 #37

Bingo! jsr Dec 2012 #70

So then, why has he not screwed us now? JoePhilly Dec 2012 #101

Have you not been paying attention? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #111

Hummm ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #116

The point is he is center-right BlueStreak Dec 2012 #135

I gave you one instance because you said there were ZERO. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #153

Vote for Dems in 2014, genius Doctor_J Dec 2012 #52

vote for him for what, genius? dionysus Dec 2012 #34

Uh, the results of the mid-terms will be a referendum on him, idiot Doctor_J Dec 2012 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author dionysus Dec 2012 #65

Dems got trounced in 2010 because the Dems in Congress punted on passing JoePhilly Dec 2012 #102

Dems got trounced in 2010 because only 30% of the population voted. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #112

Really? I thought it was about 40% ... my sources below ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #124

Apologies. I typed in haste. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #157

I definitely agree on the lunatic point ... JoePhilly Dec 2012 #158

Maybe he's just talking. If he were serious, it could kill the Democratic Party. Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #7

Obama had better not fuck with Medicare and Social Security. jsr Dec 2012 #17

Is it even remotely possible for DU posters not to panic with every single Presidential utterance? OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #9

"Panic" as you call it, serves a useful purpose Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #10

Come on. Do you really think he doesn't know how the vast majority of the Democratic Party and.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #18

He knows two states just passed laws Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #149

Congress needs to pass legislation legalizing pot, and submit that bill to the President.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #151

+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #22

Exactly right. And there is the possibility he is intentionally playing "good cop, bad cop" BlueStreak Dec 2012 #66

Apparently not. NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #13

Is it possible for the president to firmly stake out a Dem position? Doctor_J Dec 2012 #16

Thanks for proving that parsing is a real art form. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #19

****NO****, these post will get louder uponit7771 Dec 2012 #31

& every last one of them is a fuck-you to Solidarity -AND- that could very well be the REAL motive. patrice Dec 2012 #150

I hope you don't mean Obama is playing footsie with Boehner. yellowcanine Dec 2012 #11

I guessed three possible sources for this story before I clicked this... snooper2 Dec 2012 #21

It's fucking sad that Democrats have to BEG a Democratic president to protect Social Security jsr Dec 2012 #23

Mr. President is not going to be down with that. People wadding their panties for not. lonestarnot Dec 2012 #30

You can use an effeminizing pejorative to describe legitimate concern but two things: Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #35

Plus, Obama has a history of preemptive surrender. jsr Dec 2012 #39

Your allegations have no merit. lonestarnot Dec 2012 #40

What allegations? Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #43

These allegations. lonestarnot Dec 2012 #46

No substance, you're just talkin' panties. Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #47

Do you smoke cigars? lonestarnot Dec 2012 #50

You're on a roll for not making sense. Howsabout a substantive response? nt Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #51

Mr. President is not so stupid as to piss off folks, contribute further to debt, and agree with lonestarnot Dec 2012 #56

Thank you. So here's the problem with your position: Both President Obama's senior advisor and... Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #61

I have more confidence in the man than you apparently. Language was a float. lonestarnot Dec 2012 #62

If you have confidence in the man, why aren't you taking him at his word? Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #67

"we need to strengthen Social Security". Bullshit. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #33

Up is down. Same typical Orwellian bullshit jsr Dec 2012 #38

"Strengthen" is 3rd-way/Heritage/Repuke speak for cut benefits Doctor_J Dec 2012 #77

Yep duffyduff Dec 2012 #87

this quote says nothing of the kind bigtree Dec 2012 #42

Really? Doctor_J Dec 2012 #55

not the type of beneficiary cuts that these breathless articles worry about bigtree Dec 2012 #68

ah, so you're OK with cuts, as long as they're not huge. Doctor_J Dec 2012 #76

you are playing some kind of con here. It's sad. bigtree Dec 2012 #83

Question for the "OH NO!" crowd ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #53

It will depend on whether he gives in to the "serious" people or the people who elected him. mmonk Dec 2012 #57

I'm hoping he doesn't go through with something like that former-republican Dec 2012 #64

The Obamacare architect is officially working for the pharmaceutical industry jsr Dec 2012 #71

But from what I understand that is one of the largest costs to the Medicare program former-republican Dec 2012 #73

The negotiation ban goes against the free market, free enterprise and all that jazz jsr Dec 2012 #91

Simple, really Doctor_J Dec 2012 #75

President Obama's statement is a masterpiece of evasive doubletalk. forestpath Dec 2012 #78

Quick-- someone tell Campaign Obama to give this guy a call. Marr Dec 2012 #79

First of all, ProSense Dec 2012 #85

'Obama reportedly answered: ' MineralMan Dec 2012 #88

Shhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #90

I'm no fun, anyhow. MineralMan Dec 2012 #92

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #93

You need to ask Santa for a Super Secret Obama Outrage Decoder ring. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #109

"hell to pay" - ? In what way? nt Skip Intro Dec 2012 #94

Some DUers will write strong words in a post. That's how. MineralMan Dec 2012 #95

Really? Most DUers I know are currently members of several Progressive Organizations and are sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #144

The gorilla in the room is the pentagon and the MIC. L0oniX Dec 2012 #97

THAT's what he's working on, but there's some people around here too short/narrow sighted, patrice Dec 2012 #114

The GOP didn't mind jacking up the debt and now they want to rip off the elderly and needy. L0oniX Dec 2012 #161

Cut the military budget in two rock Dec 2012 #99

It's like the election never happened MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #107

"When you look at the evidence, it�s not clear that it actually saves a lot of money." patrice Dec 2012 #113

Durbin: Obama not open to raising age for Medicare Orangepeel Dec 2012 #117

With Pelosi also saying the same thing former-republican Dec 2012 #126

Nope WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #119

I want the anti-Obama bigots in this thread to explain the last paragraph of OP to us, please&thanks patrice Dec 2012 #127

"not clear that it - INCREASING MEDICARE AGE - saves a lot of money" Republicans want A LOT of patrice Dec 2012 #130

I'll wait to see what actually happens, since neither the cheerleaders not the naysayers actually djean111 Dec 2012 #143

That's what I'm doing, plus a few other tasks of responsible citizenship. nt patrice Dec 2012 #148

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Exactly. They are our very own "teabaggers". I'm hoping the economy improves to the point where... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #159

TL/DR - long winded line of "there are some who say" and "he hasn't said he wouldn't" BS tjwash Dec 2012 #132

"let's look at every avenue" EVERY as in ALL, not just Medicare, ALL includes things like Pentagon & patrice Dec 2012 #133

Not only would raising the Medicare age be deadly, the deadly idea of it indepat Dec 2012 #155

it is now off the table Enrique Dec 2012 #156

seems like an appropriate time to kick this thread snooper2 Dec 2012 #162