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DJ Synikus Makisimus

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37. Umm, who exactly is there who is left of center in U.S. elections?
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 01:47 AM
Nov 2024

America's curse is that we have two major parties of the right, one right wing and one far right, and a bunch of inconsequential rightist and centrist "third parties" whose influence is precisely fuckall. The left here, which if you were to average it out by Congressional District can be counted on the toes of one of Majorie Taylor Green's feet with toes left over, is negligible. They don't participate in elections, thinking them pointless. From the evidence presented by the past four years, that might be correct. You usually refer to them by the generic category "anarchist," though that term is probably both imprecise and misleading given the baggage it carries - not to mention some of the idiots (like libertarians) who have usurped the term for various reasons (see "The Anarchists" on HBO/Max for one example).

The reason for the establishment of the two party system (and the New Deal) was to eliminate the perceived "threat" posed by the Socialist Party of America, once an ACTUAL party of the left, which officially disbanded in 1972. They drifted rightward after the death of Eugene V. Debs, then lost all credibility in the 1960s when they wouldn't support the anti-war movement (among other things). Some of the remnants of the SPA allied with Michael Harrington moved further rightward and formed the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) and entered the Democratic Party as a faction. As it stands, and as if it mattered, the DSA is BARELY center-left. In the last election, they lost two of their representatives in primaries and disowned two more of their candidates over Israel/Palestine. Notice please that Bernie Sanders ISN'T DSA, though he IS a parliamentary socialist.

Discussions outside the very narrow two-party system aren't really permitted in "mainstream" political discourse, or on the news media. You really have to seek out the left if you want information on it. They probably won't talk to you. They tend to get dismissed as "utopian" or "crazy" anytime they try to engage rightists and centrists, so they mostly don't. It's not that America does not want to be left of center, it's that America has no idea what it means, other than "we hear it's bad." Not that it matters now.

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Really bad when Center is now to the right of Ronald Reagan. LiberalArkie Nov 2024 #1
The majority of Americans support most left of Center policies Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #2
Talk is cheap. I would tell those Americans to Ninga Nov 2024 #5
They don't vote for policies, they vote their political identity. Nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #14
Bingo wryter2000 Nov 2024 #30
that is the way I understand it. Also, I doubt most Americans rurallib Nov 2024 #7
They support it when it benefits them dansolo Nov 2024 #20
Or even the center. kentuck Nov 2024 #3
This had nothing to do with agendas or policies. Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #4
That Biden would have done much worse than Harris, is a bit inconvenient to this argument. tritsofme Nov 2024 #16
OK. Add middle-aged. Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #19
What is this "America" that doesn't want these things? Ocelot II Nov 2024 #6
More than half, if we listen to what people say they want. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #12
Spot On Marigold Nov 2024 #8
Here's why. Ping Tung Nov 2024 #9
They might be the next billionaire Blue Full Moon Nov 2024 #22
I personally don't think people realized what they were voting for and will come to regret it. ratchiweenie Nov 2024 #10
I think you're confusing what Americans DO want... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Nov 2024 #13
Could not agree more. BannonsLiver Nov 2024 #17
+100 nt WarGamer Nov 2024 #33
Yes, let's cut loose the unpopular cultural issues on the national level? Ilikepurple Dec 2024 #40
I think most people just want to live their lives. thatdemguy Nov 2024 #15
Liberal-libertarians is what Americans are Deminpenn Nov 2024 #39
Reproductive rights a bi-partisan issue GoreWon2000 Nov 2024 #18
America is very left LiberaBlueDem Nov 2024 #21
Not my America. milestogo Nov 2024 #23
Most people are left of center. Blue Full Moon Nov 2024 #24
The misogyny is deep here Meowmee Nov 2024 #25
As others have pointed out, I'm not sure this is the correct analysis. Music Man Nov 2024 #26
Nah, America is clueless about what it wants or where center is. RockRaven Nov 2024 #27
It could be that they say "yes" because it's more PC, but when push comes to shove, they don't care about them DSandra Nov 2024 #28
Since when is supporting abortion rights. equal treatments of all, decent jobs and pay is "left of center?" question everything Nov 2024 #29
Please don't echo right wing framing of what "left of center" means LearnedHand Nov 2024 #36
Clearly BigMin28 Nov 2024 #31
Defeatist and ignores a ton of counter evidence Ndp5 Nov 2024 #32
Those darn liberals....conservatives define "liberal" as anyone who is not their idea of conservative. walkingman Nov 2024 #34
I think people want to be left of center. They don't want to be Democrats. They vote for left-of-center policy, when In It to Win It Nov 2024 #35
Umm, who exactly is there who is left of center in U.S. elections? DJ Synikus Makisimus Nov 2024 #37
Sorry to say this but there is no center left major party. Nt. Voltaire2 Nov 2024 #38
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