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kerry-is-my-prez

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Mon Nov 18, 2024, 01:04 PM Nov 2024

From Substack: Why does No One Understand the Real Reason Trump Won? [View all]

We basically already knew this but we don’t realize how widespread this problem is:

It wasn’t the economy. It wasn’t inflation, or anything else. It was how people perceive those things, which points to one overpowering answer.

I’ve had a lot of conversations since Tuesday revolving around the question of why Donald Trump won. The economy and inflation. Kamala Harris didn’t do this or that. Sexism and racism. The border. That trans-inmate ad that ran a jillion times. And so on.

https://newrepublic.com/post/188197/trump-media-information-landscape-fox

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But this line of analysis requires that we ask one more question. And it’s the crucial one: Why didn’t a majority of voters see these things? And understanding the answer to that question is how we start to dig out of this tragic mess.

The answer is the right-wing media. Today, the right-wing media—Fox News (and the entire News Corp.), Newsmax, One America News Network, the Sinclair network of radio and TV stations and newspapers, iHeart Media (formerly Clear Channel), the Bott Radio Network (Christian radio), Elon Musk’s X, the huge podcasts like Joe Rogan’s, and much more—sets the news agenda in this country. And they fed their audiences a diet of slanted and distorted information that made it possible for Trump to win.

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The war on reality lame54 Nov 2024 #1
Flooding the news zones with bullshit until even the NYT and WaPo start repeating it. erronis Nov 2024 #2
It's bad enough, but the mainstream media we try to rely on pick up what they say and repeats it verbatim Walleye Nov 2024 #3
I disagree DaddyShark Nov 2024 #4
We in the US are ignoring this fact in our Nationalist Bubble haele Nov 2024 #11
THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! InstantGratification Nov 2024 #32
People in America didn't see the total at the grocery store and say, jimfields33 Nov 2024 #37
Sure - but how did that translate into voting for Trump? yardwork Nov 2024 #41
Voters are not always reasonable or logical. jimfields33 Nov 2024 #55
Inflation wasn't bad under Trump TheFarseer Nov 2024 #87
Inflation took off during Trump's last year. yardwork Nov 2024 #94
Inflation in 2020 was low. It was 1.4% In 2021 it was 7.0% EdmondDantes_ Nov 2024 #95
inflation poozwah Nov 2024 #102
Did people forget how many Americans died of Covid-19 because of T's BS? OMGWTF Nov 2024 #104
Trump lost in 2020. That was toward the end of KPN Nov 2024 #49
Trump lost in 2020 because he was a dumpster fire, but COVID was still affecting the US through 2022 haele Nov 2024 #63
Your last sentence is key. yardwork Nov 2024 #28
Multiple Factors Metaphorical Nov 2024 #31
Here's my frustration. yardwork Nov 2024 #33
Correct Cosmocat Nov 2024 #38
most people aren't paying attention MadameButterfly Nov 2024 #60
Voters Avalon Sparks Nov 2024 #75
In that case, there was nothing we could have done differently. yardwork Nov 2024 #78
Different Avalon Sparks Nov 2024 #80
+1 leftstreet Nov 2024 #45
Inflation certainly played a role, but in my view a lesser KPN Nov 2024 #50
I suspect many people WANT a rude, loud, blathering, large man for President. raging moderate Nov 2024 #83
Aside from the Interest Rates or flooding the nation with paper money Dan Nov 2024 #59
Yep this article sums up the Democratic Party thumper2547 Nov 2024 #66
You have some good points DaddyShark Nov 2024 #70
I completely agree with you Jk23 Nov 2024 #68
The sane-washing and the both-siderism of most media didn't help either. chowder66 Nov 2024 #5
Finally someone pointing to massive disinformation campaign as reason oldmanlynn Nov 2024 #6
It wasn't just the right wing propagandists. lees1975 Nov 2024 #7
Thank you for this Flatrat Nov 2024 #8
I agree with you 100% OnionPatch Nov 2024 #107
Probably because there's no "one" reason she lost. BannonsLiver Nov 2024 #9
It's going to takes months of research to come up with valid reasons Kaleva Nov 2024 #17
Of course there are multiple reasons, but right wing media does what it does, and it works well. Trust_Reality Nov 2024 #30
Exactly. The media is part of it Bluetus Nov 2024 #39
Blue, I basically agree with every point you bringup. slightlv Nov 2024 #96
Depressing how so few understand FDR and his genius Bluetus Nov 2024 #97
I like your term "The Great Descent" ! slightlv Nov 2024 #109
FDR was polite, but hard-hitting Bluetus Nov 2024 #110
Nope. It's still the profound stupidity of a significant percentage flvegan Nov 2024 #10
Agree Kaleva Nov 2024 #16
Yup....and their racist sexist crap of not voting for a woman...regardless of the pain it will cause PortTack Nov 2024 #23
The post-birth abortion bullshit and gender reassignment surgery at schools sealed my agreement with you. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2024 #24
They grabbed the excuses because they wanted excuses. yardwork Nov 2024 #34
Bingo! PortTack Nov 2024 #57
This is true also but the average IQ is 100 - not very high. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 2024 #25
Nothing to say except K&R mountain grammy Nov 2024 #12
Fox, Joe Rogan, etc put out what people want Kaleva Nov 2024 #13
Bingo. I have quoted Terry Pratchett a number of times. love_katz Nov 2024 #62
I 100% agree. Kaleva Nov 2024 #69
It was a bad idea for Dems to go after Rogan womanofthehills Nov 2024 #93
An Interesting perspective! Kaleva Nov 2024 #99
ostrich head in sand analysis. WarGamer Nov 2024 #14
And I will continue to disagree every time. yardwork Nov 2024 #36
I agree with you BUT we have to deal with what we've got... WarGamer Nov 2024 #42
Agreed. How do we compete? yardwork Nov 2024 #44
What did Obama do? WarGamer Nov 2024 #47
I hope you're right. A lot has changed in 10 years, though. yardwork Nov 2024 #67
Most of the media Katcat Nov 2024 #15
I fully agree.. Escape Nov 2024 #18
People live for conspiracy theories. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 2024 #26
Most of the voters know exactly who and what Trump is. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #19
I've been saying this since the day after the election. The right wing media's lies, disinformation, and misinformation Martin68 Nov 2024 #20
Precisely. It's an epidemic. Mr. Mustard 2023 Nov 2024 #21
Bingo Sugarcoated Nov 2024 #22
Media is a lesser portion - Nigrum Cattus Nov 2024 #27
Agreed, and the MSM, Cable, press etc. are/were complicit as they didn't clearly... brush Nov 2024 #29
This take is dated. The difference maker was social media manipulation JCMach1 Nov 2024 #35
Dems will never truly win as long as the reich-wing noise machine exists hurple Nov 2024 #40
Yep -- THIS is the BIGGEST REASON Martin Eden Nov 2024 #43
Well, poor messaging has been screamed since 2015 to no avail. NT. SayItLoud Nov 2024 #46
MAGA has a better amplification network and they spent 20 years developing it, it doesn't matter if Trump wears a narrow uponit7771 Nov 2024 #52
Trump didn't win. Harris lost leftstreet Nov 2024 #48
No doubt Tweedy Nov 2024 #51
Exactly! Tesha Nov 2024 #53
Just nowforever Nov 2024 #54
All for the money Quanto Magnus Nov 2024 #56
There's also an unspoken war on education. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2024 #58
Look at that crazy psycho fuckhead in Oklahoma. Initech Nov 2024 #73
I'm afraid we're not up to the fight needed against the SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2024 #84
We'd better. The fate of the world is at stake. Initech Nov 2024 #89
I'm old enough to remember when Karl Rove said. "We create our own reality." But I'm not sure our path should include,, surfered Nov 2024 #61
Democracy Drowns in Disinformation IronLionZion Nov 2024 #64
We need our own media ecosystem, and we need to *support* it. Until then... keep_left Nov 2024 #65
Left talk radio / alternative media won't work because Democrats don't believe there is a grand conspiracy to hide the.. Fish700 Nov 2024 #77
It has worked, and continues to work at MSNBC, Mike Malloy, Democracy Now, KTNF in MN, etc. keep_left Nov 2024 #79
To get people to fucking listen, will need to be entertaining FIRST. Few will tune in to hear someone read the newspaper SoFlaBro Nov 2024 #98
Well, Air America had some pretty entertaining shows, but they went bankrupt anyway. keep_left Nov 2024 #105
Fuckstain Rush Limpdong was on multiple AM stations in the same fucking market with a couple hundred listeners. SoFlaBro Nov 2024 #106
Yep. Ask Randi Rhodes. Her #1 show was cancelled by the network for Limbaugh's. keep_left Nov 2024 #108
Yeah we just need to start telling the truth. Initech Nov 2024 #90
The working class is not the same as the working poor. One of those is never talked about. Autumn Nov 2024 #71
Important. elleng Nov 2024 #92
The real answer: IT WAS SPITE. And malice. Initech Nov 2024 #72
Economy Avalon Sparks Nov 2024 #74
It's everything discussed here, and more LilElf70 Nov 2024 #76
Nexus: a book to recommend Godot51 Nov 2024 #81
yup krkaufman Nov 2024 #82
ALSO roomtomove Nov 2024 #85
Yes, conservative control of news and successful voter suppression. Voter suppression isn't mentioned in the, why ShazamIam Nov 2024 #86
Exactly. Rs weren't brainwashed in a vacuum, it was years of Fox and rw media pounding propaganda into their heads. Pepsidog Nov 2024 #88
by Michael John Tomasky elleng Nov 2024 #91
We understand. Dem leadership does not. GregGilman Nov 2024 #100
Yes. And the task escalated from defeating a candidate to defeating Russian, Chinese, Iranian and far right disinfo mahina Nov 2024 #101
Propaganda works. Propaganda applied intensely REALLY works. SupportSanity Nov 2024 #103
The question would then be: why do so many Americans choose to consume crappy right wing media? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2024 #111
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