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133. Yep, every kid playing basketball on an inner city blacktop is gonna grow up to be Michael Jordan...

Sat Jan 21, 2012, 04:23 PM

Jan 2012

Bill Gates, George Lucas, J.K. Rowling, all recognized it was a game of sharks, and they played the game very well.

For each of them there have been thousands of artists bloodied, beaten, and left for dead.

A long time ago I sold a piece of software for rent money. The software made a whole lot of money for the shark who sold it to an industry I despise. By contract I'm not even supposed to say that much. She's got a house in La Jolla, well, because she is a shark and I am not.

It still burns a little, but the experience didn't inspire me to become a shark myself. And besides, I never wanted to live in a freakish world of affluent white people anyways... heh... as the clumsy little kid in me kicks a cow chip and grumbles, who wants to play your stoopid game anyways...

It's possible to live "comfortably" on Open Source or Creative Commons licensed art. Red Hat and similar industries actually employ people even though anyone can copy their software. It's also possible to keep and control your own copyrighted creations even when you are working for sharks. I believe all artists should take an aggressive stance against the sharks.

This battle over copyrights has very little to do with artists, it's mostly about the sharks.

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Is online piracy a really serious problem? My opinion: nope. [View all] limpyhobbler Jan 2012 OP

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I take a loaf of bread, I deprive the store owner of a loaf of bread to sell. joshcryer Jan 2012 #6

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"Intellectual property" is immoral. joshcryer Jan 2012 #12

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Intellectual property is the ownership of information. joshcryer Jan 2012 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #26

Uh, no, it can't. joshcryer Jan 2012 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #35

I wouldn't care. joshcryer Jan 2012 #37

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But, the laws exist, you champion them. joshcryer Jan 2012 #50

hahahahaha BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT joeglow3 Jan 2012 #63

Yes, we have established you want free shit. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #156

Nothing is free. joshcryer Jan 2012 #162

Our conception of intellectual property PETRUS Jan 2012 #158

Fuck yeah. Give it all to me for free joeglow3 Jan 2012 #166

That's cute. PETRUS Jan 2012 #174

2 key questions joeglow3 Jan 2012 #176

You should probably direct those questions to the authors of the paper. PETRUS Jan 2012 #179

Good read limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #198

You have a twisted (and fundamentally flawed) view of the motivation behind artistic creation. Edweird Jan 2012 #188

I'd want to see more details than that before I paid it any heed. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #175

Fair questions PETRUS Jan 2012 #177

You do know without intellectual property we'd still be a pre-industrial civilisation, right? Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #89

Bull. Intellectual property has been an inherent clog to technological development. joshcryer Jan 2012 #164

Because it is kind of a hard question.... daleanime Jan 2012 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #18

The plaintiff doesn't get to fantasize unchallenged what that "compensation" should have been. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #27

Sorry, it's not a thief (ugh!) and the monetary effects of the copying... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #43

Strain as you might, your argument falters on the attempt JackRiddler Jan 2012 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #71

Excellent that you can cite legal paragraphs that support what I said. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #104

+1 Some bands will put a 'free' sampler on their web page. And a link to buy more! wandy Jan 2012 #88

Don't forget, Bieber himself got popular for doing uncompensated covers of others' songs. joshcryer Jan 2012 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #36

At first, they most certainly were unlicensed. joshcryer Jan 2012 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #68

Let's de-abstract this. Occulus Jan 2012 #77

Singing in a bar does count, look at karaoke licensing. joshcryer Jan 2012 #151

Tesha. Are you fimilar with Tom Petty. wandy Jan 2012 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #106

I agree. I'm starting a fizzy beverage company that sells soft drinks Egalitariat Jan 2012 #82

You should go into law instead, and learn the difference between copyright and trademark. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #101

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No. It's not. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #21

"Creativity" doesn't pay, never has. hunter Jan 2012 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #131

Yep, every kid playing basketball on an inner city blacktop is gonna grow up to be Michael Jordan... hunter Jan 2012 #133

Interesting perspective. randome Jan 2012 #134

Not only that, but independent publishing (digitally) continues to go up. joshcryer Jan 2012 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #9

We are no where near there, yet, 10-15 years, though. joshcryer Jan 2012 #11

Thank you. Occulus Jan 2012 #78

Interesting that you can't come up with an example from the last 20 years. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #13

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A travesty that defiled the books. No question JackRiddler Jan 2012 #23

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This is not "situational." This is classic socialist property critique. joshcryer Jan 2012 #32

Yes exactly: Anything that ISN'T producing revenue privately is costing something to someone. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #72

I'm a creative person and I am strongly supportive of intellectual property rights Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #142

This makes sense to me too limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #186

Yeah, but I mean, look at the Bieber example: joshcryer Jan 2012 #152

Geez, why did Tesha make such an effort... JackRiddler Jul 2013 #199

"Is your morality so situational?" JackRiddler Jan 2012 #42

Yeah, I would have been disappointed in you if you hadn't come up with that. Occurred to me, too. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #143

The way to see Avatar is in an IMAX 3D setting, IMHO. So the piracy issue is moot, there. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #144

Speaking of those exact films, Occulus Jan 2012 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #80

No, music directors have and are known to send to the publisher for a "review copy" of the score Occulus Jan 2012 #84

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"Re-arranging, by the way, is acceptable." Occulus Jan 2012 #110

But the copyright holders CAN 'bat an eye' if they want. randome Jan 2012 #113

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Not if it's used for an educational purpose... Fearless Jan 2012 #192

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I said educational purposes. Like in a classroom teaching students. Fearless Jan 2012 #194

What about libraries? Dash Riprock Jan 2012 #147

Your library hands out every book made for free to everyone in the world? joeglow3 Jan 2012 #149

Yes, libraries hand out every book for free reorg Jan 2012 #165

Kick ass. I have about 500 books I want for free joeglow3 Jan 2012 #169

Quite a civilized system they have over there. We need to adopt it. joshcryer Jan 2012 #170

Yes but theirs something more to this than just copy protection. wandy Jan 2012 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #108

Then something has changed. Back when I was a young fool, rather than old fool, I was somewhat of a wandy Jan 2012 #114

Of course SOPA would be used for illegitimate purposes. randome Jan 2012 #115

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Proof. Yes, yes, in case of dispute. wandy Jan 2012 #132

In one thread, you maintain that copyright infringement is not theft and that providing services is? Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #124

Where is that stated? joshcryer Jan 2012 #153

Posts #2 and #3. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #168

Ahh, you think that in a modern world with digital distribution middlemen are necessary? joshcryer Jan 2012 #173

BTW, companies like Adobe, Microsoft, etc, *profit more* from piracy. joshcryer Jan 2012 #4

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Bad behavior! Bad, bad, badbadbadbadbad! JackRiddler Jan 2012 #46

These companies used sitewide licenses for a reason, made the software very easy to copy... joshcryer Jan 2012 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #74

I'm quite familiar with it, and it shows that the bottom line is not harmed by student discounts. joshcryer Jan 2012 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #73

This is called 'Quack'. The software you learned how to use first will likley be you're favorite. wandy Jan 2012 #93

The movie industry has done a bang up job of fighting piracy by refusing to make movies good enough Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #10

I think what's going to be amazing is when books start beind readapted into movies... joshcryer Jan 2012 #14

The thing they like to do is.. sendero Jan 2012 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #30

Nope! Also, let's start with the name: Piracy, my ass. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #20

My view MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #28

"It's people lending books." joshcryer Jan 2012 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #39

Did you watch the video? joshcryer Jan 2012 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #61

But, how do I justify getting free shit, then? joeglow3 Jan 2012 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #69

You might have a remote point if I didn't already say I would willingly give my shit away for free. joshcryer Jan 2012 #157

Ahhh. The argument of "give me yours cause I would give you mine (if I had some)" joeglow3 Jan 2012 #161

Tell ya what, I'll let you know when I do, and you can apologize profusely for making it personal... joshcryer Jan 2012 #167

You made it personal when you said what YOU would do. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #171

Post #63 is where you started making it personal. joshcryer Jan 2012 #172

You didn't watch the video. joshcryer Jan 2012 #155

Ahh but back in the day their were tape deks that used 1/2 inch tape and moved 30 ips. wandy Jan 2012 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #109

As good as digital is. I still miss that old monster tascam. wandy Jan 2012 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #125

I er... ah..... fold? Haveing never met one of thes things up close and personal, as in wandy Jan 2012 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #130

Sure, who doesn't. MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #92

Photoshop = $699 n/t bitchkitty Jan 2012 #33

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"Do you think that argument would fly?" JackRiddler Jan 2012 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #57

I use gimp. joshcryer Jan 2012 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #58

Actually, if you want to take it that far, Occulus Jan 2012 #100

I didn't say steal it, I merely told the OP bitchkitty Jan 2012 #67

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Not with a dual monitor setup. GIMP was doing stuff that Photoshop... joshcryer Jan 2012 #159

Whatever. bitchkitty Jan 2012 #197

Good point on two scores. Their is plenty of good freeware/shareware out their. wandy Jan 2012 #98

Now, go to Top Downloads and note the most downloaded software (see: all piracy releated in top 5): joshcryer Jan 2012 #160

Hay now, I wasn't making any moral judjments here....... wandy Jan 2012 #195

FYI - musicians have always made their money through touring and merchandising. Edweird Jan 2012 #44

Except for a minority during a limited period who made it by selling recordings. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #47

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yeah that's true limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #180

If you are signed to a major label the odds of you ever seeing a dime from unit sales Edweird Jan 2012 #185

Acquiring "intellectual property" by copying it is almost older than dirt. baldguy Jan 2012 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #66

But nobody argued that the original owners were being deprived of their rightful property, either. baldguy Jan 2012 #75

it's a reality. not a matter of opinion. it's a little problem if they're not stealing your stuff. spanone Jan 2012 #59

Translation: I can justify stealing so I can have free shit. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #62

+1 n/t tammywammy Jan 2012 #85

+1000 I am amazed how many people on DU justify stealing music and videos. Logical Jan 2012 #96

That's an inaccurate translation. The post did not justify stealing. limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #181

Music sharing doesn't hurt the artists. I realize that doesn't fit your 'wagging finger' narrative Edweird Jan 2012 #189

More people justify stealing so they can have free shit, than you think, though... Hippo_Tron Jan 2012 #191

I think probably yes. redqueen Jan 2012 #65

Piracy? You mean like the corporations who overcharge for services and products... fascisthunter Jan 2012 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #81

no, you haven't... and until you do, this crap will continue fascisthunter Jan 2012 #83

Artists and free expressionists are being hurt. Not just mega corporations. Zax2me Jan 2012 #86

I completely agree with you frazzled Jan 2012 #97

We're in a period of glacial change. randome Jan 2012 #102

Theirs allways makeing a copy for the joy of makeing a copy. wandy Jan 2012 #121

You're only old if you think you are! randome Jan 2012 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #112

They sure picked a good label for it. ronnie624 Jan 2012 #87

One of the worst uninformed posts I have ever read. Not even worth countering. Logical Jan 2012 #95

One of the most powerful rebuttals ever made. It needs no elaboration! JackRiddler Jan 2012 #103

Bioshock. Occulus Jan 2012 #105

It's a serious problem if you are the one whose IP is being stolen. gulliver Jan 2012 #116

Only to the 1%ers. I think its a fair trade off vs. guilotines. n/t Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2012 #117

I'm dumbfounded by the people who will actually BUY bootleg video of a movie shot with a cellphone. alphafemale Jan 2012 #119

+1 Right with you on this one. wandy Jan 2012 #122

A lot of that is people who saw the movie at the theatre TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #136

Aaaarrrgh! Swing 'em from the nearest yaaardarm! Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #120

right. Raffi Ella Jan 2012 #135

I'm with you Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #137

Many people don't like to think of themselves as thieves, but many of them are theives. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #138

Does downloading something make you a thief? randome Jan 2012 #139

Tell that to hundreds of my collegues laid off taught_me_patience Jan 2012 #145

what industry is that? limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #146

I work in the home video department of a major studio. n/t taught_me_patience Jan 2012 #182

My dear captian limpyhobbler; thank you for opening this lovley can of worms... wandy Jan 2012 #148

RFS 9: Kill Hollywood Mosaic Jan 2012 #163

I didn't know piracy was illegal until much later. Neoma Jan 2012 #178

They used to, see Kazaa, Napster. It's just that there are free speech implications to... joshcryer Jan 2012 #183

I kind of meant the people... Neoma Jan 2012 #184

No, it isn't Aerows Jan 2012 #187

Agreed slay Jan 2012 #190

If I could make diamonds at home in my kitchen, De Beers would be shitting bricks... hunter Jan 2012 #196