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In reply to the discussion: In Case You Missed This... Confirmation On What Many Of Us Believed Re: The Publc Option Fight [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)47. Richard Kirsch
and HCAN were amazing during the battle to pass health care reform. He has written some excellent comments on it.
Health Care and the Winds of History
by Richard Kirsch
The President and Congress didnt make health care reform happen the progressive grassroots did.
<...>
It wasnt only Speaker Pelosi who was energized by the historical import of making health care a right, not a privilege, in a phrase she made fully hers. Its no accident that in countless health care speeches President Obama mentioned that presidents back to Teddy Roosevelt have tried and failed to win health care. Obama pledged to be the last president to make such a quest in an address to a joint session of Congress.
<...>
It wasnt just the President or Congressional leadership who felt that they were making history. Many rank and file Democratic members felt the passage in historic terms, including some of the members who most risked reelection by voting for health care, which really was very unpopular in their districts.
But as students of the New Deal or other progressive eras in the United States know, presidents and congresses didnt stand up to powerful forces opposing change on their own. It was organized peoples movements that created the political momentum that fanned the favorable historic winds.
The same is true for the passage of health care reform. If President Obama and the Democratic Congress were delivering the health care baby, it was the organized progressive forces that were the midwives to history. And like any good midwife, what we did was convince the mother, through our grassroots organizing around the country, that it was worth the pain and that the baby would come out right and make the mom and dad proud.
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http://www.newdeal20.org/2010/07/01/health-care-and-the-winds-of-history-13361/
by Richard Kirsch
The President and Congress didnt make health care reform happen the progressive grassroots did.
<...>
It wasnt only Speaker Pelosi who was energized by the historical import of making health care a right, not a privilege, in a phrase she made fully hers. Its no accident that in countless health care speeches President Obama mentioned that presidents back to Teddy Roosevelt have tried and failed to win health care. Obama pledged to be the last president to make such a quest in an address to a joint session of Congress.
<...>
It wasnt just the President or Congressional leadership who felt that they were making history. Many rank and file Democratic members felt the passage in historic terms, including some of the members who most risked reelection by voting for health care, which really was very unpopular in their districts.
But as students of the New Deal or other progressive eras in the United States know, presidents and congresses didnt stand up to powerful forces opposing change on their own. It was organized peoples movements that created the political momentum that fanned the favorable historic winds.
The same is true for the passage of health care reform. If President Obama and the Democratic Congress were delivering the health care baby, it was the organized progressive forces that were the midwives to history. And like any good midwife, what we did was convince the mother, through our grassroots organizing around the country, that it was worth the pain and that the baby would come out right and make the mom and dad proud.
- more -
http://www.newdeal20.org/2010/07/01/health-care-and-the-winds-of-history-13361/
Why Republicans are So Intent on Killing Health Care Reform
by Richard Kirsch
Its not just about expanded care. Its about proving our government can be a force for the common good.
Why are John Boehner, Eric Cantor and Mitch McConnell so intent on stopping health care reform from ever taking hold? For the same reason that Republicans and the corporate Right spent more than $200 million in the last year to demonize health care in swing Congressional districts. It wasnt just about trying to stop the bill from becoming law or taking over Congress. It is because health reform, if it takes hold, will create a bond between the American people and government, just as Social Security and Medicare have done. Democrats, and all those who believe that government has a positive place in our lives, should remember how much is at stake as Republicans and corporate elites try to use their electoral victory to dismantle the new health care law.
My enjoyment of the MLB playoffs last month was interrupted by ads run by Karl Roves Crossroads front group against upstate New York Rep. Scott Murphy, who was defeated last Tuesday. Roves ads rained accusations on Murphy, including the charge of a government takeover of health care. Some might have thought that once the public option was removed from the health care legislation, Republicans couldnt make that charge. But it was never tied to the public option or any other specific reform. Republicans and their allies, following the advice of message guru Frank Luntz, were going to call whatever Democrats proposed a government takeover.
Theres nothing new here. Throughout American history, health care reform has been attacked as socialist. An editorial published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in December 1932, just after FDRs election, claimed that proposals for compulsory insurance were socialism and communism inciting to revolution. The PR firm that the American Medical Association hired to fight Trumans push for national health insurance succeeded in popularizing a completely concocted quote that it attributed to Vladimir Lenin: Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialist State.
<...>
President Obama and Democrats in Congress understood the historical importance and profound moral underpinnings of the new health care law when they enacted it earlier this year. And they knew that the right-wing attack had soured the public in swing Congressional districts and states on reform. They stood up then. They will have to stand up again, understanding that if they give way to Republicans, they lose more than the expansion of health coverage. They lose the best opportunity in half a century to prove to Americans that government can be a force for the common good.
http://www.newdeal20.org/2010/11/08/why-republicans-are-so-intent-on-killing-health-care-reform-26298/
by Richard Kirsch
Its not just about expanded care. Its about proving our government can be a force for the common good.
Why are John Boehner, Eric Cantor and Mitch McConnell so intent on stopping health care reform from ever taking hold? For the same reason that Republicans and the corporate Right spent more than $200 million in the last year to demonize health care in swing Congressional districts. It wasnt just about trying to stop the bill from becoming law or taking over Congress. It is because health reform, if it takes hold, will create a bond between the American people and government, just as Social Security and Medicare have done. Democrats, and all those who believe that government has a positive place in our lives, should remember how much is at stake as Republicans and corporate elites try to use their electoral victory to dismantle the new health care law.
My enjoyment of the MLB playoffs last month was interrupted by ads run by Karl Roves Crossroads front group against upstate New York Rep. Scott Murphy, who was defeated last Tuesday. Roves ads rained accusations on Murphy, including the charge of a government takeover of health care. Some might have thought that once the public option was removed from the health care legislation, Republicans couldnt make that charge. But it was never tied to the public option or any other specific reform. Republicans and their allies, following the advice of message guru Frank Luntz, were going to call whatever Democrats proposed a government takeover.
Theres nothing new here. Throughout American history, health care reform has been attacked as socialist. An editorial published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in December 1932, just after FDRs election, claimed that proposals for compulsory insurance were socialism and communism inciting to revolution. The PR firm that the American Medical Association hired to fight Trumans push for national health insurance succeeded in popularizing a completely concocted quote that it attributed to Vladimir Lenin: Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the Socialist State.
<...>
President Obama and Democrats in Congress understood the historical importance and profound moral underpinnings of the new health care law when they enacted it earlier this year. And they knew that the right-wing attack had soured the public in swing Congressional districts and states on reform. They stood up then. They will have to stand up again, understanding that if they give way to Republicans, they lose more than the expansion of health coverage. They lose the best opportunity in half a century to prove to Americans that government can be a force for the common good.
http://www.newdeal20.org/2010/11/08/why-republicans-are-so-intent-on-killing-health-care-reform-26298/
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In Case You Missed This... Confirmation On What Many Of Us Believed Re: The Publc Option Fight [View all]
WillyT
Jan 2012
OP
Thus institutionalizing mass murderers as intermediaries between us and out providers
eridani
Jan 2012
#80
Throw him under the bus to join the other progressives who don't stick to the party line.
Better Believe It
Jan 2012
#43
Well, the President was getting "well-intentioned" and "well-informed" advice from Rahm
no_hypocrisy
Jan 2012
#4
Yes, it does matter that the government engages in thuggery, whether it be in this case
EFerrari
Jan 2012
#74
Wow, Obama really IS just like FDR. Especially on HC reform. Yet, Obama passed reform
FarLeftFist
Jan 2012
#18
You don't see the parallels? FDR backed down from health care reform because...
FarLeftFist
Jan 2012
#21
Of course FDR had 377 House seats and 73 Senate seats. Obama goes for wins he knows
FarLeftFist
Jan 2012
#45
Exactly my point. Just laying the groundwork itself is a MAJOR accomplishment.
FarLeftFist
Jan 2012
#63
It didn't start out as a perfect program, but it did start out as a GOVERNMENT progam
eridani
Jan 2012
#89
Because single payer advocates weren't interested in promoting public health care
eridani
Jan 2012
#157
Don't worry he'll veto any health reform bill that doesn't contain the Public Option...oh, wait.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2012
#26
Mandates were designed to kill single payer, according to Washington Monthly when they interviewed
Leopolds Ghost
Jan 2012
#88
The mandates go against the principles on which the country was founded, oppos. to Mercantilism.
Leopolds Ghost
Jan 2012
#97
Single payer is a mandate, so I am just going to take what you're saying here...
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#99
Single payer is a mandate to purchase private health insurance with private income? Do tell.
Leopolds Ghost
Jan 2012
#101
No, single payer is a mandate that all pay into a group pool of individuals for health care.
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#102
Or, you know, we will continue to boycott any insurance provider that attempts to market a private
Leopolds Ghost
Jan 2012
#105
A federal public option would be paid for by fines on the uninsured. That was the whole IDEA.
Leopolds Ghost
Jan 2012
#106
Buck Krugman. He supported the mandate. We're supposed to side with him on every issue why?
Leopolds Ghost
Jan 2012
#103
The Public Option was to have been paid for by fines on the uninsured. Nuff said.
Leopolds Ghost
Jan 2012
#104
Where is this coming from? Mandates are to stop freeloaders from rising costs...
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#107
Again you use Hillary Clinton's 53%er rhetoric "freeloaders" to refer to the uninsured.
Leopolds Ghost
Jan 2012
#111
So single payer wouldn't make "the working poor" as you call them, pay into it?
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#118
I'm a civil libertarian, yes. Private insurance cos. != society. != common payer.
Leopolds Ghost
Jan 2012
#123
Also, the concept that freeloaders are responsible for rising costs is a Republicrat meme
Leopolds Ghost
Jan 2012
#113
The same people paying into a mandated program would have to pay into single payer.
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#117
So the low fines "are working" by forcing people who couldn't afford ins. to buy ins?
Leopolds Ghost
Jan 2012
#125
No, only if you're employed. The minute I get a job, I have to explain to them
Leopolds Ghost
Jan 2012
#129
As Obama said, mandates are bad idea for the same reason that mandated private housing is a bad idea
Leopolds Ghost
Jan 2012
#119
So? That doesn't shove "moderate" any closer to the strong Democratic end of the values spectrum.
ClassWarrior
Jan 2012
#130
Well, Obama DID say during the campaign that he didn't believe S/payer could get passed.
Schema Thing
Jan 2012
#143