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deutsey

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47. That's what is so frustrating

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:23 AM

Dec 2012

These are, for the most part, intelligent, savvy people. They don't know anything about the proven lies/coordinated PR campaign that got us into the first Gulf War? They don't know anything about the Gulf of Tonkin?

And, besides all that, there were plenty of reputable critics questioning the validity of the Bush's and Powell's "evidence" at the time.

You'd think there would be a healthier sense of skepticism among these people. Personally, I think there probably is, but most of those who went along with the invasion of Iraq did so because of the politically toxic post-911 world at the time.

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John Kerry voted to wage war against Iraq [View all] MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 OP

is John Kerry the only Dem besides Ms. Rice qualified to be SOS? Skittles Dec 2012 #1

Most Democrats voted AGAINST starting a war with Iraq. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #3

so why is he the front-runner? Skittles Dec 2012 #40

'Better judgement'! Exactly. It's amazing how low our standards are for those who hold life and sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #42

Most Democrats in the Senate voted FOR it: Freddie Stubbs Dec 2012 #49

But 22 made the right decision MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #52

Good question. jsr Dec 2012 #5

This will be excellent alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #2

Hillary is the bestest SOS ever ProSense Dec 2012 #4

Well, if you consider 'facts' to be 'drama' I suppose. I guess they are as we seem to prefer rose sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #43

Right On bahrbearian Dec 2012 #60

I know that I am more hawkish than many on this board... NCTraveler Dec 2012 #65

"Hillary has not been the best SOS ever." ProSense Dec 2012 #66

They all based their decision on Bush's falsified 'intelligence' TheProgressive Dec 2012 #6

Most Democrats voted against war. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #7

They did ProSense Dec 2012 #10

So why did Kerry vote for war a month after that NY Times editorial? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #14

Dean was for voting for Biden/Lugar, Kerry's peferred resolution too karynnj Dec 2012 #36

Smart people with critical thinking skills were not fooled. GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #46

Can't answer that Manny for those who voted yes or no.... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #13

Kerry's my Senior senator. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #17

"I've watched him become a standard-issue DLC Third Wayer." ProSense Dec 2012 #19

I agree - our (America's) new Senator is top notch... TheProgressive Dec 2012 #22

Not most Democrats in the Senate Freddie Stubbs Dec 2012 #50

You're right - 29-22 (including Bernie as a Democrat) MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #51

That's what is so frustrating deutsey Dec 2012 #47

so did hillary. spanone Dec 2012 #8

you'd accept such a narrow definition of your own life experience? bigtree Dec 2012 #9

You don't think that's a rather major decision? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #11

It's been debated here to exhaustion bigtree Dec 2012 #16

I am sure he views this as the greatest mistake of his life. Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #12

Has he said that? nt MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #15

yes he did, unequivocally bigtree Dec 2012 #18

Link? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #20

The comment states: ProSense Dec 2012 #21

WTF? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #23

Seems like doing homework would help you. ProSense Dec 2012 #24

So you want me to prove that Kerry never said something? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #25

No, but ProSense Dec 2012 #26

Au contraire MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #28

Then shouldn't ProSense Dec 2012 #31

Did he say that? former9thward Dec 2012 #27

No doubt it will be provided shortly. nt MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #29

It wasn't that hard to look up. Sheesh. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #32

That's really great that he recognizes his error MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #33

I wished MY senior senator had done that. She's DiFi. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #34

I dont think 'Yes' on the IWR was a bad vote. I explain why here. Only Bush owns the Iraq mistake stevenleser Dec 2012 #39

Your post is 110% accurate! This is *exactly* how it went down. BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #70

I hope you think about your mistake here before your next attack on a Democrat. nt stevenleser Dec 2012 #35

Which mistake is that? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #55

You mean besides not knowing about multiple statements your own senator made regarding what you stevenleser Dec 2012 #68

I believe this is called, "checkmate". eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #30

Yes many many times karynnj Dec 2012 #37

Interesting argument. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #44

Take a look at this Samantha Dec 2012 #38

Yes he did, and you voted for him for president in 2004. Renew Deal Dec 2012 #41

We don't know that. ProSense Dec 2012 #62

Hi Prosense! Renew Deal Dec 2012 #64

I find that knock on Kerry to be pretty idiotic. MessiahRp Dec 2012 #45

So did Hillary Clinton n/t malaise Dec 2012 #48

+1 krawhitham Dec 2012 #67

Step 1: Add shit. Step 2: Stir. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #53

Wait, you rec'd a thread calling for the boycott of the inauguration ProSense Dec 2012 #54

I rec'd the sentiment that Obama needs to stop Shirley Sherroding folks MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #56

"Rice, herself, is certainly no bargain." ProSense Dec 2012 #57

Just FYI: 29 Democrats joined 48 Republicans to pass the Senate resolution OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #58

Even more basic than that, the conditions to use force were not met. stevenleser Dec 2012 #69

The Tail Wags The Dog?? KharmaTrain Dec 2012 #59

So did Hillary and imo she's been an outstanding SOS. WI_DEM Dec 2012 #61

Well, so did Hillary Clinton, so no big change there. n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #63