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onenote

(46,160 posts)
21. Correct.
Tue Nov 26, 2024, 11:48 AM
Nov 2024

I know all the arguments about prices coming down, about gas being less on an inflation adjusted basis than it was 50 years ago, etc. Those arguments don't matter to the vast majority of voters. They don't care what their grandfathers paid for gas. What they care about, and what drives their perception, is that even with gas prices falling in late 2024, the price was still higher than it had been at any point during the Trump years, both before and after the pandemic. Some illustrative numbers, recognizing that these are national averages and that local and regional numbers can vary quite a bit: during the first Trump administration, regular gas never was at or above $3.00/gallon and was under $2.50 19 months, including quite a few months prior to the pandemic. During the past four years, the price of regular gas was under $3/gallon for only 3 months, all at the start of the Biden administration. Otherwise, it was between $3 and $4 for 37 months, $4 and $5 for five months, and over $5 one month. Those numbers create a perception that is hard to turn around. Same thing for grocery prices. Yes, they stabilized and even began dropping the past year. But what most people pay for their weekly groceries is still higher than they remember it being. And the increase in wages doesn't really offset it, because the good news of getting a raise is diluted when a good portion of that raise is spent on more expensive items like groceries and gas.

I hate to say it, but the outcome of the election probably was baked in from the start -- just as Joe's victory in 2020 was a "change" election, driven by dissatisfaction with the Trump presidency, particularly the pandemic, the 2024 election also was a "change" election, driven in large part by dissatisfaction with the economy.

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And a change... AfternoonJoe Nov 2024 #1
If Joe had a 50% approval rating we wouldn't have had to change anything. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 #3
Voting for Trump peregrinus Nov 2024 #2
We lost because journalism is dead Charging Triceratops Nov 2024 #54
100!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2024 #78
i thought i was reading news max Nimble_Idea Nov 2024 #4
No need to be abusive DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 #6
Unfair things happen when you are incapable of defending yourself verbally BeyondGeography Nov 2024 #5
Now we need to know why 70% of America thought we were on the wrong track. Autumn Nov 2024 #7
My take on it is this: whopis01 Nov 2024 #11
The MAGA base isn't enough to win by itself. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 #12
Never said it was whopis01 Nov 2024 #26
And bigotry, bigotry, bigotry... travelingthrulife Nov 2024 #15
I think one and two have nothing to do with it. Trump or any republican are Autumn Nov 2024 #16
I am confused by your response whopis01 Nov 2024 #99
Because about 21% of the population is conservative. Mix in religions because a lot of them such as Autumn Nov 2024 #105
When you said "one and two have nothing to do with it" whopis01 Nov 2024 #106
Your rent goes up fifty percent in four years you start looking for someone to blame. Jk23 Nov 2024 #27
☝🏾THIS!☝ Its called "real wage index" which disconnected from the 2019 trajectory cause rise in prices. So telling some uponit7771 Nov 2024 #34
Only an idiot believes that John Shaft Nov 2024 #88
Has Adley Stevenson pointed out to one of his supporters Jk23 Nov 2024 #94
Donald "Child Rapist" Trump supporters are idiots and Bad People. Period. John Shaft Nov 2024 #100
Show me 50% dpibel Nov 2024 #91
Location specific in my neck of the woods they didn't really go up 50% Jk23 Nov 2024 #93
"Not me, but I'm sure there's somebody." dpibel Nov 2024 #97
"Wrong track"/"right track" is a lazy, pointless poll question that should always be ignored muriel_volestrangler Nov 2024 #31
I would've said we were on the wrong track SharonClark Nov 2024 #52
No it really isn't. It's really very simple, struggling people vote their pocketbook. Autumn Nov 2024 #60
There's nothing about "pocketbook" or "economy" in "this country is on the wrong track" muriel_volestrangler Nov 2024 #62
You should understand that for some people the economy does suck. Autumn Nov 2024 #65
But that doesn't mean the poll question is any good. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2024 #67
Sure, but I'm not interested in a poll. One can have a conversation about many reasons why Autumn Nov 2024 #75
I think it does if the questions have different answers. Ilikepurple Nov 2024 #79
I don't think a poll is the cure all to tell us why we lost. I think an honest discussion Autumn Nov 2024 #103
***REAL WAGES DISCONNECTED FROM 2019 TRAJECTORY!!!*** People, it's that simple. DNC was talkin about acronyms the uponit7771 Nov 2024 #33
That's it. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 #48
Right. And some people just don't fucking get it. Autumn Nov 2024 #66
Inflation was the biggest issue Jose Garcia Nov 2024 #37
One thing I learned in medicine biophile Nov 2024 #8
And why was that? Happy Hoosier Nov 2024 #9
Exactly Redleg Nov 2024 #13
Journalism died with false equivalent doctrine RainCaster Nov 2024 #14
Manufactured opinion over facts Tesha Nov 2024 #10
But even with those numbers both Biden and Harris would have won JI7 Nov 2024 #17
False perceptions reveal the influence of the RW media landscape Martin Eden Nov 2024 #18
Now we're headed off the tracks. N/T tonekat Nov 2024 #19
Got that right orangecrush Nov 2024 #43
Misses the whole point of how that opinion was crafted JCMach1 Nov 2024 #20
It would have still been good just four years ago. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #70
Correct. onenote Nov 2024 #21
Agree Kaleva Nov 2024 #25
Yup. Elessar Zappa Nov 2024 #29
Baked in to an extant but not hopelessly baked in standingtall Nov 2024 #35
At least someone here can tell us what is correct and what is not. Ilikepurple Nov 2024 #82
Throw in inflation which most Americans dont care to understand the real cause oldmanlynn Nov 2024 #22
And that 39% and 70% were due to media failure and propaganda success. Nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #23
Get ready for no track. Sneederbunk Nov 2024 #24
Good point. Elessar Zappa Nov 2024 #28
I lay that at the feet of the "left wing media" WhiteTara Nov 2024 #30
It's really that simple. Democrats arguably outperformed from those numbers considerably. tritsofme Nov 2024 #32
right track/wrong track has been trending in the wrong direction for many years. WarGamer Nov 2024 #36
And short-sighted voters forgot why trump lost big in 2020 Zambero Nov 2024 #38
Joe was hovering near 40% since Nov 2021-- A Democrat would have needed to differentiate him/herself from Joe andym Nov 2024 #39
Inflation got like it was in large part because of Trumps mishandling of the pandemic standingtall Nov 2024 #41
Not sure messaging could help: price increases finished off Carter, Bush Sr, and almost Reagan andym Nov 2024 #77
I was very young, but I remember Carter losing in 1980 standingtall Nov 2024 #85
President Biden mr715 Nov 2024 #40
Rather Biden was owed anything is irrelevant standingtall Nov 2024 #42
Biden was at the head of the ship mr715 Nov 2024 #44
I couldnt disagree more. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 #49
Hindsight is 20/20 mr715 Nov 2024 #50
Inflation kiilled us. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 #51
I think inflation is the excuse mr715 Nov 2024 #55
Our politics are polarized. Both sides start with, say, 45% of the vote DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 #56
I think then we pretty much agree mr715 Nov 2024 #57
Have a great day DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 #58
We lost because the media didn't celebrate Biden's accomplishments Easterncedar Nov 2024 #45
We lost because Biden himself couldn't articulate Biden's accomplishments mr715 Nov 2024 #53
At this late date, we were counting on the media to celebrate accomplishments? TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #64
And that's because we lack sufficient means ibegurpard Nov 2024 #46
Odd how those 70% who were carping about the lousy economy under Biden are suddenly setting records for Vinca Nov 2024 #47
No, When we allowed the billionaires in our party to decide to end Joe Biden... Demsrule86 Nov 2024 #59
Biden was on track to get Mondaled and dig holes in the House and Senate to match. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #68
Pretty complicated to say an incumbent President shouldn't seek reelection standingtall Nov 2024 #71
Post removed Post removed Nov 2024 #95
They probably did the early debate because they got goaded into it standingtall Nov 2024 #96
I do not think the facts support your assertion Hekate Nov 2024 #98
We lost because we pulled an Al Franken on the guy who beat Trump in 2020. ucrdem Nov 2024 #61
Has an incumbent president ever won with a 39% approval rating in exit polls? DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 #63
Has a convicted felon ever been elected President before 2024? standingtall Nov 2024 #72
Eggzactly. ucrdem Nov 2024 #74
Has a twice-impeached ex-president insurrectionist with felony convictions ever won? ucrdem Nov 2024 #73
I was depressed for weeks... Kamala did the best she could under the circumstances. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2024 #80
She gave it her all, and did surprisingly well. ucrdem Nov 2024 #86
Well said!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2024 #87
It was a most unusual election in many ways MichMan Nov 2024 #101
His polls suggested Biden was on track to lose Minnesota and Virginia too. meadowlander Nov 2024 #81
WaPo, July 17: 'The polls are inconclusive. Advantage Biden.' ucrdem Nov 2024 #84
Biden's internal polls showed TSF winning 400 + Electoral College Votes DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 #89
I don't believe these mythical internal polls people keep alluding standingtall Nov 2024 #92
We lost because Fox News is on everywhere. Initech Nov 2024 #69
"...70% of Americans felt we were on the wrong track." J_William_Ryan Nov 2024 #76
so they think authoritarianism is a better track? Skittles Nov 2024 #83
i was curious wht drumpf's approval numbers are....... Takket Nov 2024 #90
Biden's Presidency did what it set out to do. It got us through a pandemic returning the country to stability/normalcy Freethinker65 Nov 2024 #102
I hate that "wrong track" question. intheflow Nov 2024 #104
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