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dsc

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5. Candidate choice matters
Fri Nov 29, 2024, 06:36 PM
Nov 2024

NC was one state where Trump won, and in fact improved his margin, while Democrats did better than 4 years ago. We won half of the Council of State races (Gov, Lt Gov, AG, Sec of State, and Superintendent of Public Instruction) and won a Supreme Court seat (by 640 votes). But there are good reasons we won those races, the GOP governor candidate was adamantly against abortion and well nuts, the Lt Gov candidate on our side had a golden name and lineage (daughter of 4 term governor), the AG candidate had a national brand, the Sec of State is a decades long incumbent with a strong brand, and the GOP superintendent candidate was a full blown nut (she called for both Obama and Biden to be publicly executed on pay per view). We lost the races where we didn't have a good incumbent or they have a terrible candidate.

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Kooky nonsense Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #1
Agree SCantiGOP Nov 2024 #3
Never underestimate the ability of Democrats to be smug and complacent. elocs Dec 2024 #170
Why is it kooky to suspect a criminal of committing crimes? bikes and bunnies Nov 2024 #21
Except there's no evidence those elections were stolen EdmondDantes_ Nov 2024 #26
that one is easy lapfog_1 Nov 2024 #51
The thing we know for certain is, no people counted the votes, machines did questionseverything Nov 2024 #53
You do realize that the polls were highly accurate right? EdmondDantes_ Nov 2024 #69
I do not have a theory lapfog_1 Nov 2024 #84
You're making too much sense Dem4life1234 Nov 2024 #86
I tried posting Stephen Spoonamore's Duty to Warn letter Loupe Garoue Nov 2024 #94
You are well aware the spoon guy is a proven liar. Why continue to spread his disinformation? tritsofme Nov 2024 #96
Where was he proven to be a liar? Loupe Garoue Nov 2024 #97
His bullet ballot "hypothesis" is a proven lie. It is mathematically impossible. tritsofme Nov 2024 #99
That was an initial theory Loupe Garoue Nov 2024 #100
It wasn't a mistake, he is a con-artist. It's a shame people are that gullible. tritsofme Nov 2024 #102
Except that many other experts in cybersecurity agree enough to write to Harris. Loupe Garoue Nov 2024 #104
Clicks. Internet fame. Maybe some rubes will give him money. tritsofme Nov 2024 #106
Now where's YOUR evidence? ElementaryPenguin Nov 2024 #127
Given that spoon guy has already lied and made nakedly false claims, I think it is fair to question his motives. tritsofme Nov 2024 #131
Do you understand how elections are conducted? LiberalFighter Nov 2024 #121
Explain how manipulating paper ballots would be difficult if no one is allowed to actually count them questionseverything Nov 2024 #126
Post election audits Abnredleg Nov 2024 #130
If they don't hand count the entire county mistakes maybe hidden questionseverything Nov 2024 #133
The audit is open to the public Abnredleg Nov 2024 #135
You and I will never agree, I believe in publicly countering at least the top two races questionseverything Nov 2024 #141
I believe in hand counting the paper receipts Hope22 Nov 2024 #146
Most people vote with paper ballots Abnredleg Nov 2024 #149
Why are the insults necessary ? questionseverything Nov 2024 #150
What insult? Abnredleg Nov 2024 #154
And some precincts will include a hand count. LiberalFighter Nov 2024 #162
There are no insiders involved in the counting as you suggest. LiberalFighter Nov 2024 #161
Ballots are not counted by one person or political party LiberalFighter Nov 2024 #160
And they include members of both political parties LiberalFighter Nov 2024 #159
You think it isn't done. LiberalFighter Nov 2024 #158
How can you get evidence without an investigation? Lunabell Nov 2024 #95
While you're distracted with evidence free CT's Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #29
Thank you! Dem4life1234 Nov 2024 #77
The percents are from different populations karynnj Nov 2024 #90
a whole lot of low post count accounts seem pretty intent on stirring up arguments over this nonsense. Takket Nov 2024 #23
Yup Fiendish Thingy Nov 2024 #30
Yeah, because you know better, right? Charging Triceratops Nov 2024 #75
Indeed Stuckinthebush Nov 2024 #63
They've always been here The Revolution Nov 2024 #88
True. I remember those days Stuckinthebush Nov 2024 #93
Check out Romanian elections/ Russia delisen Nov 2024 #82
No ElementaryPenguin Nov 2024 #125
Yeah throwing out campaign finance laws would do that ColinC Nov 2024 #2
I think you're on to something. I still don't believe trump won all the swing states. brush Nov 2024 #4
If the swing states had red governors, I'd agree. jimfields33 Nov 2024 #27
Do you think the governor is overseeing the voting machines or the reporting page? questionseverything Nov 2024 #54
In Michigan, Dems control the Governor, Sec. of State, and AG offices MichMan Nov 2024 #68
And china hasn't hacked the NSA? questionseverything Nov 2024 #73
Right, it doesn't compute. Something seems off. brush Nov 2024 #85
I still can't figure out how some people in Wisconsin voted for Tammy Baldwin and Donald Trump. milestogo Nov 2024 #42
What evidence do you have that "tens of thousands" of Wisconsin voters voted for Baldwin and Trump? onenote Nov 2024 #49
I worked the polls. I know Dems, Repukes, Libertarians and Independents Charging Triceratops Nov 2024 #76
I could understand a Trump/Casey vote by a PA Catholic who karynnj Nov 2024 #129
Yes, voting for Balwin and Harris seems far more likely than Baldwin and trump, that does not compute to me. brush Nov 2024 #83
Thank you yellow dahlia Nov 2024 #144
In 2 elections, you have 4 candidates. You're ignoring that Baldwin beat a nobody muriel_volestrangler Dec 2024 #168
Eric Hovde spent $100 million on this race. milestogo Dec 2024 #169
Candidate choice matters dsc Nov 2024 #5
Totally agree. He told us over and over how he was going to do it...because he said that's what the democrats did to him BComplex Nov 2024 #6
We lost the Senate, didn't make any gain in governorships Kaleva Nov 2024 #7
It's worth looking in to. Lunabell Nov 2024 #8
Wisconsin is less than 30,000 votes difference questionseverything Nov 2024 #55
Look at what the results were in the 2016 Wisconsin recount for comparison MichMan Nov 2024 #67
Wisconsin doesn't do hand counts even for recounts questionseverything Nov 2024 #132
Surely, you have an example of a previous hand count in an entire state that flipped 30,000 votes then. MichMan Nov 2024 #140
The sc stopped the count in Florida but when the ballots were looked at questionseverything Nov 2024 #142
Time's a wastin' with the deadline for certification coming up in a few weeks. MichMan Nov 2024 #156
I tend to agree... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #9
The government just recently announced china has hacked into the nsa network questionseverything Nov 2024 #56
Yep. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #60
More likely her color Henry203 Nov 2024 #10
Slow down, there, Sparky! PSPS Nov 2024 #11
I've wondered if Harris being a black woman might've led lots of inattentive voters to the conclusion... Beartracks Nov 2024 #16
When I saw that "did Biden drop out"... I was like...wtf?! electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #28
And Oswald acted alone Charging Triceratops Nov 2024 #78
What harm could come out of recounting swing state ballots? Blue Owl Nov 2024 #12
No harm should come of it, but some feel it would make us look "silly". hadEnuf Nov 2024 #14
Better to look irresponsible!!!! Hope22 Nov 2024 #122
Yikes! Is that the new conspiracy theory now? That Harris does not endorse these ridiculous fantasies only because tritsofme Nov 2024 #124
Seriously what is with the conspiracy crap. Hope22 Nov 2024 #153
This message was self-deleted by its author tritsofme Dec 2024 #165
Say it once again...... Hope22 Dec 2024 #166
This message was self-deleted by its author tritsofme Dec 2024 #167
None at all Meowmee Nov 2024 #19
They already do extensive post election audits Abnredleg Nov 2024 #136
Not what is needed imo and no forensic investigation of software Meowmee Nov 2024 #138
Most people vote with paper Abnredleg Nov 2024 #157
No harm other than it costs tens of millions of dollars MichMan Nov 2024 #20
You think saving our Democracy isn't worth "pissing away" some money??? Think. Again. Nov 2024 #35
No, donors should not be exploited to placate conspiracy theory mongers. tritsofme Nov 2024 #98
Verifying first-counts of extremely important and complex election results is not a waste of anything. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #105
Then why has Harris not pursued this path? Why is Harris not seeking such recounts? tritsofme Nov 2024 #107
You would have to ask her. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #108
Nope. I don't have to ask her once or even twice to know that she has no interest in these goofy conspiracy theories. tritsofme Nov 2024 #109
That's quite an assumption to make about what a sitting VP and Presidential candidate is thinking about. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #112
No, it's actually not. As they say, actions speak louder than words. tritsofme Nov 2024 #114
You've read quite a bit into her silence. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #118
lol, you're right, maybe she is just waiting for the right moment to pounce and embrace all the goofiness? tritsofme Nov 2024 #120
Frankly, when I think of the 2 conniving jamokes involed here - I can't think of anything BUT skulduggery! Peregrine Took Nov 2024 #128
By federal law ballots and all election related materials must be kept for 22 months questionseverything Nov 2024 #57
I agree: Hand Recount! bikes and bunnies Nov 2024 #22
Ohhh, mannnn. I REMEMBER that. I was Devastated.... electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #32
And Al Gore actually WON after the count was finished! Clouds Passing Nov 2024 #43
😥 electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #44
But let's move on, that was in the past, no need to revisit, it's over forget about it..... Clouds Passing Nov 2024 #70
What was the original difference in votes? Kaleva Nov 2024 #46
partially true but not as simple as you make it out: Wiz Imp Nov 2024 #65
No harm at all and easy to do. egduj Nov 2024 #25
Cool, that seems like a good deal to save our Democracy! Think. Again. Nov 2024 #36
There's an idiom for that. egduj Nov 2024 #41
Yes, if we were 100% sure the first-count outcome was correct, but without double-checking, that's impossible. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #45
How much have you donated so far for a recount? Kaleva Nov 2024 #47
You're correct, I DO actually believe this is a shared responsibility. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #58
Well, if the election was slightly stolen, then we don't have to wait for the ... planetc Nov 2024 #13
Yes! Think. Again. Nov 2024 #38
Amen. Of paper ballots. planetc Nov 2024 #74
Agreed! yellow dahlia Nov 2024 #151
The shameful sexist racist ppl in this country brought us this...it really is that simple! PortTack Nov 2024 #15
While I'm not certain that there wasn't some skullduggery Racism AND Sexism most likely played the bigger parts electric_blue68 Nov 2024 #33
What was the undervote in swing states? The Wizard Nov 2024 #17
Don't know... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #39
How much have you spent? Kaleva Nov 2024 #48
Yes, I have donated to the Harris/Walz (and other Blue) campaigns. Think. Again. Nov 2024 #59
According to the Harris campaign website, donations under $41,300 are all allocated to the DNC, not towards a recount. MichMan Nov 2024 #61
Oh, don't thank me, I did not donate a very large amount and... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #66
In Wisconsin, it was slightly less than 1 percent. onenote Nov 2024 #50
The voting and counting machines used in many states were made by the company ES&S spike jones Nov 2024 #18
We were robed!!! Bonx Nov 2024 #24
I agree the election was rigged with the help of the muskrat. kimbutgar Nov 2024 #31
"I don't need your votes. I have plenty of votes." - tsf rubbersole Nov 2024 #34
Down ballot candidates had a more intimate and frequently longer connection to voters than Kamala. dutch777 Nov 2024 #37
Don't even blame Kamala here Dem4life1234 Nov 2024 #110
I don't blame Kamala. Given a waaaayyy late start she kept it positive and acquitted herself well. Hind sight.... dutch777 Dec 2024 #163
BS Groundhawg Nov 2024 #40
Alrighty then...... But thanks for the Felon47 hashtag - I'll be using that GoneOffShore Nov 2024 #52
Using the same logic, couldn't someone make the claim that it was actually the down ballot candidates that cheated? n/t MichMan Nov 2024 #62
Don't start bringing logic into it. It will just confuse the conspiracy theorists. Wiz Imp Nov 2024 #64
I'm always in favor of citizens doing hand counts in an open, transparent manner questionseverything Nov 2024 #137
Study done at Rice University showed hand counts were correct only 58% of the time MichMan Nov 2024 #145
Now you are talking about the toilet paper rolls added to the dres questionseverything Nov 2024 #147
Why would anyone believe an academic study with scientific methodology over a wacky conspiracy theory, right ? MichMan Nov 2024 #148
Stats for the "So many down-ballot candidates outperforming Harris", please muriel_volestrangler Nov 2024 #71
Stop. Fucking stop it. JFC, stop it with the red hat conspiracy theories. themaguffin Nov 2024 #72
The only thing I question is what happened when they had the bomb threats Tribetime Nov 2024 #79
...and I believe some of those polling places did not reopen. yellow dahlia Nov 2024 #152
I'm starting to think the real trolls Charging Triceratops Nov 2024 #80
Please explain your thread title about down ballot wins muriel_volestrangler Nov 2024 #101
They "did it" by controlling the media and the narrative. dawg Nov 2024 #81
How do you explain ticket splitting before? ibegurpard Nov 2024 #87
Nonsense karynnj Nov 2024 #89
If the fix was in why did the exit polls largely mirror the actual results? DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2024 #91
Are the down-ballot candidates mostly white and male? RandomNumbers Nov 2024 #92
It shows some people did not want to vote for a Black woman. RandySF Nov 2024 #103
I'm seeing the people don't want to vote for a black woman stuff on here Dem4life1234 Nov 2024 #111
Lots of Trumpers still think there was tampering in 2020, it doesn't make it true. tritsofme Nov 2024 #113
Trumpers lack logic Dem4life1234 Nov 2024 #117
Except there has been no valid reasoning, it has been exclusively baseless conspiracy theories, exactly like Trumpers. tritsofme Nov 2024 #119
Go Watch "The Great Hack" MrWowWow Nov 2024 #115
lol this happened in 2020 with Trump. Self Esteem Nov 2024 #116
Why be afraid to recount? Hope22 Nov 2024 #123
Did you care about recounts in 2020? Self Esteem Nov 2024 #143
I have been singing this same tune, over and over. yellow dahlia Nov 2024 #134
I remember him saying: "We don't need your votes. We have plenty of votes." N/t CousinIT Nov 2024 #139
And we know he always means what he says. Hope22 Nov 2024 #155
True the Vote (plus the checkbook of Elon Musk) Kid Berwyn Dec 2024 #164
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