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BlueCheeseAgain

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Mon Dec 2, 2024, 05:27 PM Dec 2024

I'm not celebrating the Hunter Biden pardon. [View all]

I'm guessing this is an unpopular opinion on DU, but I don't see President Biden pardoning Hunter Biden as something to celebrate. I think it's a complicated issue, with arguments to both support and oppose the pardon. In terms of fairness and justice, I can see the pardon as maybe a necessary if unpleasant act brought on by a politicized prosecution, but also a case of the privileged getting away with something. In terms of politics, for Democrats, the benefits are basically non-existent, and the costs could be fairly large.

A lot of things can be true at the same time:

* Yes, it is within a president's powers to pardon anyone for any federal crimes.

* Yes, Hunter Biden would very likely not have been prosecuted if he were not Joe Biden's son.

* Yes, Donald Trump has many worse things with regard to pardons, and will likely do many more worse things in the future.

* Yes-- and to me this is the strongest argument-- most parents would do whatever they can to protect their children.

So to leave Hunter Biden in jeopardy and the whims of the incoming Trump administration seems somehow inappropriate. But also...

* Hunter Biden did actually commit the crimes, and was convicted of them in a jury trial, even if they are rarely prosecuted to the extent that he was.

* He is hardly the only person who has been unfairly prosecuted by the federal government. There are almost certainly a fair number of people serving time who are actually innocent.

* President Biden promised multiple times, including after the election, that he would not pardon his son. When he did so, we pointed to that and argued that this made our party a better guardian of equal justice under law.

* Donald Trump's level of corruption should not be a standard for any acceptable behavior. Saying that this is okay because Trump does it too is a terrible justification for any behavior.

So a president pardoning his son of crimes for which he was found guilty isn't great either.

All of which makes me think there was no clear right or wrong answer here.

So it really surprises me to see such celebration. What did we really accomplish here? This is the kind of reaction I'd expect if we passed some major liberal legislation. Here, the only people really better off are Hunter Biden and those who love him, and I'm happy for them. It must be a big relief. But like it or not, a lot of people are going to look at this and say-- look, they're all the same. There's one standard for those with connections, and another for people like me. If we ever want to point out how corrupt Trump is, they'll point to this and say-- you do it too. So the party as a whole will take the hit.

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It's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't with President Biden. Deuxcents Dec 2024 #1
Well said. Lulu KC Dec 2024 #3
Any parent who wouldn't Dem4life1234 Dec 2024 #14
JoeB gave EVERYTHING he had to this country for a loooong time - I applaud his decision. If it had been NoMoreRepugs Dec 2024 #2
Just call me Pro Life BOSSHOG Dec 2024 #4
They've already said that and worse. For years now. BannonsLiver Dec 2024 #5
So, you'd have preferred that Hunter BIden Bettie Dec 2024 #6
That's not what I said, at all. BlueCheeseAgain Dec 2024 #8
Spit on the party? Lunabell Dec 2024 #17
What are you talking about? Dem4life1234 Dec 2024 #19
That is exactly what you said, because Hunter would have died in prison. Every signal from Trump said that. Hekate Dec 2024 #23
I will never forgot their disrespect of this great man Dem4life1234 Dec 2024 #18
I feel this XanaDUer2 Dec 2024 #38
" he was driven out by a "donors" no, he was driven out by his performance. DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 2024 #58
Ate you talking about President Biden's performance? niyad Dec 2024 #63
There are a LOT of people that are going to die in prison Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2024 #66
You said so well SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2024 #7
A president who bragged he can kill a man on 5th Ave delisen Dec 2024 #12
You're entitled to your opinion SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2024 #30
Suit yourself. I am delighted that Biden pardoned Hunter. wnylib Dec 2024 #61
You forgot to add that he and his brother were both seriously injured niyad Dec 2024 #62
I am truly sorry for whatever trauma you have gone through that makes niyad Dec 2024 #67
I like that its pissing off the magats Blues Heron Dec 2024 #9
Don't worry. It will be short lived when the J-6 jimfields33 Dec 2024 #42
got that right! Blues Heron Dec 2024 #47
I don't "celebrate" it. He did the right thing. LeftInTX Dec 2024 #10
If Hunter was not kacekwl Dec 2024 #11
I think the reaction by some has been rather silly, but I don't see any problem with Biden taking this action tritsofme Dec 2024 #13
The screeching of Trump and his minions over this pardon The Unmitigated Gall Dec 2024 #35
I don't really have a problem with the pardon (although I don't like "blanket pardons"), but I can't applaud Biden for Midwestern Democrat Dec 2024 #75
Your concern is noted. Basso8vb Dec 2024 #15
Hunter was over prosecuted because he was President Biden's son Quiet Em Dec 2024 #16
Yes! And how many people do we hear about that had guns in their possession, when they shouldn't? I don't hear SWBTATTReg Dec 2024 #32
Would he have been investigated KT2000 Dec 2024 #20
This! Dem4life1234 Dec 2024 #22
Well, that certainly is your opinion. Lunabell Dec 2024 #21
Having principles means calling yourself out. Frasier Balzov Dec 2024 #24
lol Of Course not. Cha Dec 2024 #25
Wow, you seemed to have gone out of your way to create talking points. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #26
Republican Underground maybe? SocialDemocrat61 Dec 2024 #28
Free Republic is dead??? Montauk6 Dec 2024 #51
It's like of all the things to whine about Dem4life1234 Dec 2024 #29
Really!!! Some people I guess don't have enough on their plate to chat about, being that the big thing now is SWBTATTReg Dec 2024 #34
Thanks. Your concern is noted. VegasVet Dec 2024 #27
Good to know. I won't invite you to my party. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #31
Joe took the high road until they dug a ditch Joinfortmill Dec 2024 #33
Your points are valid but Opbrg Dec 2024 #36
I disagree, a lot of the talking points are absolutely not valid. Think. Again. Dec 2024 #40
I expected Hunter to be pardoned MichMan Dec 2024 #37
Are you kidding? appmanga Dec 2024 #39
Pardon power can be used to right wrongs Shermann Dec 2024 #41
It wasn't the justice system that persecuted Hunter beyond any reasonable... Think. Again. Dec 2024 #45
"Look, they're all the same." Paladin Dec 2024 #43
Mahalo, Paladin. Cha Dec 2024 #73
Many thanks, Cha. (nt) Paladin Dec 2024 #74
What is important about this? Cirsium Dec 2024 #44
If Biden pardons everyone, then he will be pardoning LeftInTX Dec 2024 #55
They already do JustAnotherGen Dec 2024 #46
I'll celebrate for you. mzmolly Dec 2024 #48
And I'll celebrate with you! Think. Again. Dec 2024 #52
:D mzmolly Dec 2024 #54
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It was only necessary because the American people sent the Felon Rapist back to the WH. RandomNumbers Dec 2024 #53
The voters forced his hand by electing a rapist and felon. Kind of like they forced Biden out because they don't pay chowder66 Dec 2024 #56
Stop Being Weak Quanta Dec 2024 #57
Maybe it is because of the extreme appointments. nt DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 2024 #59
I can't speak for anyone else, but it's not a "celebration" for me. It's correcting a wrong ecstatic Dec 2024 #60
I am glad he did it Meowmee Dec 2024 #64
Because "the Reps got owned" just like they delight in "Owning" us kerry-is-my-prez Dec 2024 #65
I will applaud and celebrate this decision. lees1975 Dec 2024 #68
It was a necessary evil. Just because it was necessary does not diminish its nature. Ms. Toad Dec 2024 #69
I am. GoodRaisin Dec 2024 #70
Six months ago after a bad debate, Biden was a Hassler Dec 2024 #71
Oh boy, ForgedCrank Dec 2024 #72
Just imagine Hunter at the mercy of MAGA-loving prison guards. RandySF Dec 2024 #76
Oh, Lordy claudette Dec 2024 #77
I'm celebrating it because a democrat stop playing gentlemanly politics for a brief moment. Hotler Dec 2024 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author claudette Dec 2024 #79
im behind Joes decision 1000% samnsara Dec 2024 #80
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