Do you have any authority for a belief that guilt for a lesser included crime excuses guilt for a (Reply #60)

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60. Do you have any authority for a belief that guilt for a lesser included crime excuses guilt for a

higher crime of which the elements for the higher crime can be proven?

If such were the law, then a person guilty of vehicular homicide could avoid criminal liability by claiming that they were only speeding.

It's not the law. There is no statute, regulation, or case law establishing that as the law. None. Nada. Zilch.

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136 replies	Author	Time	Post
Obama to Grant Banks Robosigning Immunity [View all]	NorthCarolina	Jan 2012	OP
are we surprised?	hobbit709	Jan 2012	#1
I am not.	SammyWinstonJack	Jan 2012	#3
No, can't say that I am...but why is this type of information	NorthCarolina	Jan 2012	#5
It's not on cable news because it's false information. Lies, in other words.	TheWraith	Jan 2012	#20
The source is HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan as reported in the WSJ. See #26.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#59
Because it's nothing but rumors at this point. National Enquirer type stuff. n/t	pnwmom	Jan 2012	#74
That many will swallow this hook line and sinker	whistler162	Jan 2012	#37
If the past is prologue	sulphurdunn	Jan 2012	#87
Doing the Bidding of the Banks	fascisthunter	Jan 2012	#2
Look! Over there! It's Ron Paul & Sarah Palin--KISSING!!!!	Karmadillo	Jan 2012	#4
Du rec. Nt	xchrom	Jan 2012	#6
not news, opinion	spanone	Jan 2012	#7
What? You mean "is drawing closer" and "is poised" is not definitive enough for ya?	Number23	Jan 2012	#100
Do you have this from a credible source? n/t	Ian David	Jan 2012	#8
The source is HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan. His statements were reported in the WSJ.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#26
Donovan says they are reaching a settlement. Kind of a leap to claiming it will be a "pardon." n/t	Ian David	Jan 2012	#116
Only the President can issue a pardon. Did you just create a strawman?	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#120
No, the OP did. n/t	Ian David	Jan 2012	#125
The OP doesn't mention "pardon" at all.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#126
I tried to edit my post to say "immunity," but DU glitched and did a double-post. n/t	Ian David	Jan 2012	#129
Donovan says they are reaching a settlement. Kind of a leap to claiming it will be "immunity." n/t	Ian David	Jan 2012	#117
A "leap" to claim it will be immunity? Then don't call it immunity.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#121
I didn't. The OP did. n/t	Ian David	Jan 2012	#124
The OP called it "immunity" is because it is immunity. If you don't want to, don't do so.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#127
The editorial from a non-trusted source called it immunity.	Ian David	Jan 2012	#128
Yep, the editorial got it right.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#130
Maybe. n/t	Ian David	Jan 2012	#131
Your FUCKING Kidding me	FreakinDJ	Jan 2012	#9
What would the flip side be? Free houses for everyone?	dkf	Jan 2012	#10
This message was self-deleted by its author	2pooped2pop	Jan 2012	#14
message self deleted because	2pooped2pop	Jan 2012	#15
Banks have foreclosed upon some not in default. Flip side? Prosecute robosigner higher-ups.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#29
Lets say there are 100 of such cases nationwide. Full actual damages x2 should be paid.	banned from Kos	Jan 2012	#41
Misdemeanor prosecutions? = not enough. Mail fraud is a felony. Organized mail fraud = RICO.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#47
If the wrong property was seized then that looks like a nice $2,000,000+ lawsuit to me.	dkf	Jan 2012	#90
No lawsuit for a 82-year-old retiree would be a nice lawsuit. The bank will delay and wait him out.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#93
Um. Because so called "robo signing" is FORGERY.	PassingFair	Jan 2012	#44
Impersonating a notary is a misdemeanor - a small fine. It is NOT forgery.	banned from Kos	Jan 2012	#56
Do you have any authority for a belief that guilt for a lesser included crime excuses guilt for a	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#60
It's forgery. Impersonation meansrepresentingonesself as...	elehhhhna	Jan 2012	#103
PassingFair, you may have confused perjury with forgery, but this does involve forgery.	ms.smiler	Jan 2012	#63
Thank you!	PassingFair	Jan 2012	#66
Yes. As an example, a Nevada grand jury indicted two robosigners who admitted creating forgeries.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#68
You haven't been illegally foreclosed on obviously.	sabrina 1	Jan 2012	#53
Was your friend delinquent on her mortgage loan?	dkf	Jan 2012	#91
What's the problem? In this country, our citizens are entitled to due process of law.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#94
dkf, you asked of Sabrina 1 “was your friend delinquent on her mortgage loan?”	ms.smiler	Jan 2012	#96
I'm sure Sabrina's friend knows if she was delinquent or not.	dkf	Jan 2012	#134
dkf, it simply isn't possible to declare a default based upon a partical accounting of a loan.	ms.smiler	Jan 2012	#136
First, she and her husband had paid their mortgage on time for ten years.	sabrina 1	Jan 2012	#98
Obviously not. I for example don't own a house so I won't be getting one.	TheKentuckian	Jan 2012	#54
Mortage backed securities should be made illegal	eridani	Jan 2012	#86
I don't think there would be enough deposits to create the loans if mortgages weren't sold.	dkf	Jan 2012	#92
What do you mean by "people"?	eridani	Jan 2012	#104
Anyone with savings makes a decision on depositing it with a bank or	dkf	Jan 2012	#132
Wrong, the lower the income, the more people prioritize	eridani	Jan 2012	#133
If true this is good. Robosigning = small fine in each instance.	banned from Kos	Jan 2012	#11
'"deferred prosecution" that Obama has continued from the Bush era.' K&R (nt)	T S Justly	Jan 2012	#12
Op Ed Piece by random anonymous author.	MineralMan	Jan 2012	#13
See # 26.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#30
That does not answer my statement.	MineralMan	Jan 2012	#35
You either (1) indicated a desire for knowledge or (2) were merely criticizing the OP as being "an	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#38
Yes, I can use Google, and did.	MineralMan	Jan 2012	#45
Bad dodge, you guys don't even care to be honest any longer	uponit7771	Jan 2012	#88
I looked on the White House web site to see if I could find any info on this	Autumn	Jan 2012	#16
I really can't be against anything that gives millions of home buyers major relief on their loans	nanabugg	Jan 2012	#18
I really am defiantly against any corporation who breaks the law not being	Autumn	Jan 2012	#22
Absolutely. I'm also for prosecuting every bank executive who was knowingly involved with this.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#33
So crime is okay long as they're nice to the hostages?	JackRiddler	Jan 2012	#27
Well, why not ask the people whose mortgage loans are involved?	nanabugg	Jan 2012	#36
Yes, why not take advantage of those already helpless?	JackRiddler	Jan 2012	#43
It's on the WSJ website. The source is the HUD Secretary. See # 26.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#31
Now it starts.	99Forever	Jan 2012	#17
It's always mentioned that an industry "agrees to reforms"	Nevernose	Jan 2012	#19
Shocked, shocked I tell ya!	TransitJohn	Jan 2012	#21
$19 billion is peanuts, chicken-feed, nothing.	bemildred	Jan 2012	#23
Here we go again. There's a new one every day.	woo me with science	Jan 2012	#24
Agreed : Occupy	FreakinDJ	Jan 2012	#67
You have GOT to be fucking kidding me... nt	Poll_Blind	Jan 2012	#25
This is a chess move. Obama is 10 steps ahead.	Cali_Democrat	Jan 2012	#28
It would be easier if they would just give us a list as to what we are supposed to trust and believe	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#32
Whoop, There It Is... K & R !!!	WillyT	Jan 2012	#34
Obama caves. Water is wet. And, bears really do shit in the woods.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Jan 2012	#39
that is true about bears	SwampG8r	Jan 2012	#79
this is why the Bain stuff can only hurt Rmoney absolutely, but not relatively	MisterP	Jan 2012	#40
The $19 billion in proposed principal reductions carry a hidden cost	Neue Regel	Jan 2012	#42
The stench of corruption is becoming overwhelming.	Moondog	Jan 2012	#46
Obama is so much like FDR I can't stand it!	Edweird	Jan 2012	#48
Can I borrow that?	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#49
Sure ;)	Edweird	Jan 2012	#51
Thank you, Kamala Harris, for opting out of this farce. n/t	EFerrari	Jan 2012	#50
+100000	woo me with science	Jan 2012	#122
I've been told that	rudycantfail	Jan 2012	#52
+1	TransitJohn	Jan 2012	#105
Breaking news: Newt Gingrich is getting married!!	mfcorey1	Jan 2012	#55
Obama to announce gutting Social Security and Medicare in the 2011 SOTU address!!	AtomicKitten	Jan 2012	#57
Why would he do that in the SOTU address? Why wouldn't he wait until after the election?	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#95
Hopeychangealicious ...all the doodaaday long.	L0oniX	Jan 2012	#58
How soon will we be informed that this has been structured to allow the banks to claim tax losses?	AnotherMcIntosh	Jan 2012	#61
Woohoo!	progressoid	Jan 2012	#62
Obama becomes complicit in the theft	lovuian	Jan 2012	#64
Shit	Fuzz	Jan 2012	#65
WHY?!?!?! He shows signs of greatness and doing something SOMETHING awesome instead he	Justice wanted	Jan 2012	#69
The surprise is...	upi402	Jan 2012	#70
Disgusting.	girl gone mad	Jan 2012	#71
Torturers and war criminals are all free too	just1voice	Jan 2012	#72
What's wrong? did you NOT see him sing Al Green?	Bonobo	Jan 2012	#73
Why is he protecting the banks? Does anyone have a (comprehensive) reason?	joshcryer	Jan 2012	#75
Isn't it obvious that it could "sink the recovering economy"?	Bonobo	Jan 2012	#78
That's what Johnathan Alter thinks, but I don't see the connection to clear mortgage fraud...	joshcryer	Jan 2012	#80
I think the issue would be huge lawsuits resulting in damages...	Bonobo	Jan 2012	#81
Isn't it quite different to take on systemic illegalities?	jsmirman	Jan 2012	#82
Yeah, but how much harder is it to go from close to 1000 prosecutions...	joshcryer	Jan 2012	#83
My point is not to the difficulty of more prosecutions	jsmirman	Jan 2012	#85
I think you hit on an important point when you said...	YvonneCa	Jan 2012	#97
I completely agree with you and think you are right, peons shouldn't be crucified.	joshcryer	Jan 2012	#110
Agreed. Blanket immunity...	YvonneCa	Jan 2012	#113
I only know what I have read in various...	YvonneCa	Jan 2012	#99
Thanks for the comprehensive reply!	joshcryer	Jan 2012	#109
I agree completely. The entire systemic mess was created...	YvonneCa	Jan 2012	#112
Why it's being done? Because they have a lot of cash to donate.	TransitJohn	Jan 2012	#106
I might not mind so much, IF	Remember Me	Jan 2012	#76
before reading any of the replies	SwampG8r	Jan 2012	#77
Sold out again.	pam4water	Jan 2012	#84
**THERE'S NO PROOF OF THE OP EDS STATEMENTS ON WHITEHOUSE.GOV***	uponit7771	Jan 2012	#89
You really would expect proof there!?	Bonobo	Jan 2012	#101
Bank immunity has been going on for the past two years. The anouncement may come tomorrow.	joshcryer	Jan 2012	#107
Can you explain your position a little better?	Bonobo	Jan 2012	#108
I'm saying that Obama doing it is not new or controversial.	joshcryer	Jan 2012	#111
God	Vanje	Jan 2012	#102
This message was self-deleted by its author	AtomicKitten	Jan 2012	#114
Hey the banksters need the money	Rex	Jan 2012	#115
Will this settlement be unconstitutional though?	JCMach1	Jan 2012	#118
Kick. nt	woo me with science	Jan 2012	#119
And over on the Chris Hedges' thread --	Hell Hath No Fury	Jan 2012	#123
Where does it say the Attornies General are going to cave?	lonestarnot	Jan 2012	#135

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