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69. Not ignore, adjust. The Founders were smart enough to realize

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:38 PM

Dec 2012

that times will change as will technology so they created the Constitution to be... adjustable.

When the 2nd amendment was written, if you tried to shoot someone and missed, by the time you got your gun reloaded the guy could have run up and stabbed you 20 times. Now you can shoot dozens of people before you have to reload.
It's just a matter of adjusting for the times. I don't own guns but have many friends who do and I enjoy shooting once in awhile. That said I am all for some sort of gun control.
I don't believe people should be allowed to have a tank, or a nuke, or even a mounted 50mm in front of their house. I believe most reasonable people would agree there has to be some limits set somewhere. What the limits are can be a matter of debate, but we can start at not owning a nuke or a tank and work our way down from there

Oh and if you win the lotto and decide to sue over the Patriot Act make sure you post it here, I for one would be happy to join in and do anything in my power to help. That shit is so bad half the people who voted for it don't even know whats in it.

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I am sick and tired of the fucking paranoid gun nuts. [View all] we can do it Dec 2012 OP

Completely agree. MinneapolisMatt Dec 2012 #1

Amazing considering you need a license to get married and to drive a car. we can do it Dec 2012 #2

NO! We need stronger gun laws. RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #117

You forgot tanks AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #128

Tanks, rocket launchers, drones one can never have enough firepower. we can do it Dec 2012 #131

If heroin is outlawed only outlaws will have heroin mick063 Dec 2012 #3

When was the last time a person killed a bunch of movie-goers or shoppers with heroin? bunnies Dec 2012 #6

So it only counts if heroin users do mass killings? Remmah2 Dec 2012 #84

Gimme a break. bunnies Dec 2012 #93

Knives, bombs, now Heroin... Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #138

Polly wanna cracker? nt Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #8

This does not even deserve a response. we can do it Dec 2012 #31

Guns don't kill people, mindem Dec 2012 #34

A great line mimi85 Dec 2012 #97

I'm tired, too. Tired of the senselessness. Tired of the selfishness. we can do it Dec 2012 #108

that's why people should not be allowed to buy guns srican69 Dec 2012 #109

What other uses are there for guns besides killing? NONE we can do it Dec 2012 #132

i was hoping Mindem would have something intelligent to say by now... guess not srican69 Dec 2012 #178

Damn but that's a dumb response sharp_stick Dec 2012 #42

If you actually want fewer guns out there, the drug war should be a good warning Recursion Dec 2012 #70

That is the dumbest pile of shit on night full of dumb piles of shit. morningfog Dec 2012 #156

Stinking stupid we can do it Dec 2012 #168

Why is this NRA tripe allowed here? myrna minx Dec 2012 #162

The only people I know personally that "carry" are right-wing nut-jobs. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #4

My experience is very different, but I agree w/ your point about mental health. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #10

The majority of carriers I know sarisataka Dec 2012 #15

I don't care. I blame them too. tblue Dec 2012 #44

how do MrDiaz Dec 2012 #55

And that is exactly sarisataka Dec 2012 #58

Agreed Jonny Dec 2012 #129

I hang out with a fairly liberal crowd but none carry. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #81

More people have been shot sarisataka Dec 2012 #91

5 days ago? Another "unfortunate accident" in Pen... mikeysnot Dec 2012 #113

the people I know who carry nickinSTL Dec 2012 #20

WHY will you carry? maxsolomon Dec 2012 #37

honestly, I don't know if I ever will nickinSTL Dec 2012 #63

Then you are part of the problem too. tblue Dec 2012 #49

I'm part of the problem? Really? nickinSTL Dec 2012 #75

Umm, no. AFAI(or you)K, he hasn't shot up a school. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #107

And, they'll claim Obama set this all up in 5...4...3...2...1... GoCubsGo Dec 2012 #5

It's really pathetic. Hoarding guns and doomsday supplies. we can do it Dec 2012 #35

Yep. GoCubsGo Dec 2012 #76

Watch the NRA dwigthreeD Dec 2012 #41

We should be able to discuss the issue nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #7

I know, and maybe if we keep bring up the issue it can eventually be considered. we can do it Dec 2012 #12

Before this gets locked, let me say there is no such things as gun rights... joeybee12 Dec 2012 #9

Speaking of slippery slopes sarisataka Dec 2012 #13

Well, at the risk of angering you nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #18

The text states sarisataka Dec 2012 #32

The Dick Act maxsolomon Dec 2012 #40

I get a chuckle off that as well n/t sarisataka Dec 2012 #48

Regulated - Control or supervise by means of rules and regulations. we can do it Dec 2012 #43

Yes I have sarisataka Dec 2012 #53

Citizens used to actually educate and think for themselves in the 18th century, too. we can do it Dec 2012 #57

Uh oh, we are getting close to agreement sarisataka Dec 2012 #68

The problem with gun fetishists is that regulated means organized nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #59

Cool, I get another ignore sarisataka Dec 2012 #66

No, you are not on ignore nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #78

Well we agree on sarisataka Dec 2012 #98

So would you consider an average of 2 mass shootings and 20 people killed a year rbixby Dec 2012 #99

Not at all sarisataka Dec 2012 #100

The thing about privileges is that when they are abused Generic Other Dec 2012 #175

Just the 2nd amendment. Repeal it! n/t godai Dec 2012 #27

That would be the proper procedure sarisataka Dec 2012 #33

We don't need your acquiescence. n/t godai Dec 2012 #36

Never said you did sarisataka Dec 2012 #46

Actually, all we really need is one less right wing thucythucy Dec 2012 #154

I have not seen that quote previously sarisataka Dec 2012 #159

Not ignore, adjust. The Founders were smart enough to realize SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #69

I can agree sarisataka Dec 2012 #87

Be afraid! Love the gun, damn the dead. morningfog Dec 2012 #157

And who decides what's a relic of the colonial days and what's not? n/t Daniel537 Dec 2012 #17

The people of the USA. Women and blacks can now vote, slavery is illegal. we can do it Dec 2012 #71

When do we realize that the weaponry and tactics of the Revolution are far different neverforget Dec 2012 #145

Thank you. tblue Dec 2012 #51

Agree, but nobody in our federal government is going to cross the NRA. MoonRiver Dec 2012 #11

True, did you notice everytime this happens, someone invaiably..... we can do it Dec 2012 #14

Yes, I have noticed that. MoonRiver Dec 2012 #22

It's the inevitable conclusion from the statistic that shows gun violence decreasing with more guns Fumesucker Dec 2012 #25

"gun violence" needs to be parsed. maxsolomon Dec 2012 #45

Earlier this year, in Indy, at a gun shop ... Myrina Dec 2012 #62

You should see the line up to get into the monthly "gun show" nearby. we can do it Dec 2012 #73

"at least" 27 dead says CBS. LITTLE KIDS. When will it be enough? we can do it Dec 2012 #16

Well, this might shock people nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #19

Some of these tough guy supporters need to work in an ER or ambulance. we can do it Dec 2012 #21

I know... nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #23

AMEN. Come on over to MY HOUSE for a few shifts Care Acutely Dec 2012 #30

I think the nut in the Mall stole his weapon Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #24

How does one steal a gun from someone who has it properly and responsibly stored? we can do it Dec 2012 #28

With a torch. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #38

How often does this happen? How does someone know you own guns? we can do it Dec 2012 #50

Nope. Profiling. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #67

This isn't a common occurance, and the couple was caught. we can do it Dec 2012 #101

Yeah, but what was the tally? AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #125

2 people can carry out most gun safes Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #123

So apparently having guns isn't much of a deterent is it? we can do it Dec 2012 #141

well maybe you could use a gun... or ... Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #103

So apparently having guns isn't much of a deterent is it? we can do it Dec 2012 #143

RE: Hunting weapons should be singled out and expressly defined as not being part of the problem Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #83

ARs are assault rifles Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #102

You need to go back and follow my link the R-15 is a hunting rifle Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #118

Sorry but by definition it is an assault weapon Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #120

Re: by definition it is an assault weapon Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #127

Nope, thats an invented term with basically no particular meaning. PavePusher Dec 2012 #122

It was written into the law. It had meaning while the assault weapon ban was in place Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #148

The label had nothing to do with functionality or use. It is an invented label.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #153

If I use a butter knife as a screwdriver it is still a butter knife Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #158

Shrub did not let it expire, Congress did. PavePusher Dec 2012 #180

You have it backward. A thing is what a thing is and your misuse of it Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #179

If your hunting weapon was a single shot nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #95

ARs are assault rifles Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #105

Not by the legal definition currently at work nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #124

so then stiff penalties need to be imposed on those incapable of securing their guns.. frylock Dec 2012 #110

Why does it need to be used in a crime to be punishable? Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #119

The second amendment is STUPID in a modern era. Care Acutely Dec 2012 #26

Absolutely. n/t godai Dec 2012 #29

I wonder if the Syrian rebels would agree with you? NT Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #86

We don't live in syria, btw. we can do it Dec 2012 #96

I don't understand your point Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #130

what the hell kind of defense is your gun going to be against a gunship.. frylock Dec 2012 #135

I don't think the Tali ban got the memo Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #142

Tali ban? Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #170

I thought it was kind of weird too but that's how spell check edited it. Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #171

cool story, bro... Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #172

tali ban Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #173

It's like talking to a rock, isn't it? we can do it Dec 2012 #144

I wonder if the dead kids would agree with you _ed_ Dec 2012 #151

Well regulated militia nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #94

Me too maryellen99 Dec 2012 #39

One year moratorium on all gun manufacturing. ErikJ Dec 2012 #47

I consider everyone who is pro-gun a gun nut. tblue Dec 2012 #52

What does "pro gun" mean? slutticus Dec 2012 #90

that is fine MrDiaz Dec 2012 #54

Easy access and proliferation is what is being discussed. we can do it Dec 2012 #65

If all those kids had guns BobbyBoring Dec 2012 #56

Let the fucking gun nuts have their own little shithole. liberalmuse Dec 2012 #60

And what have you done toward this goal? oneshooter Dec 2012 #152

violence gets a green light SHRED Dec 2012 #61

Also first person shooter video games we can do it Dec 2012 #115

You can. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #64

Tell that to the kids who died at school this morning. IGNORE we can do it Dec 2012 #80

Very simple thinking. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #89

The Second Amendment has to be questioned as viable. Panasonic Dec 2012 #72

A license, every five years nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #74

Fuck gun rights. Taverner Dec 2012 #77

Thank you. we can do it Dec 2012 #88

This lifelong gun owner would like to make a modest proposal or two. Flatulo Dec 2012 #79

I am willing to let people own more than five rounds nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #85

Ah, Prohibition III. This time, it'll work, right? PavePusher Dec 2012 #126

That's a facile analogy. People can't make guns in their bathtubs or grow Flatulo Dec 2012 #136

Actually, you can make them at home with a few bench-top machine tools available at Harbour Freight. PavePusher Dec 2012 #150

Absolutely get the red out Dec 2012 #82

Guns for gawd- who would jesus shoot? we can do it Dec 2012 #140

My Dad Had a Gun redstatebluegirl Dec 2012 #92

OMG kindergartners. WTF is wrong with this country????? we can do it Dec 2012 #104

Im sick of wacked out humans who will kill no matter how they do it. underoath Dec 2012 #106

True, but how many can one kill efficiently and quickly without guns? we can do it Dec 2012 #111

are they trained with a knife? they could kill more people than underoath Dec 2012 #112

Do you get all of your really sharp_stick Dec 2012 #116

What about throwing stars or chainsaws....how about anthrax or kooties? we can do it Dec 2012 #134

so you would choose a knife over a gun in battle? frylock Dec 2012 #137

So you'd rather confront the gun-wielding maniac than the knife-wielding maniac? Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #139

At a kindergarten? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #149

how I despise people who say NOTHING CAN BE DONE Skittles Dec 2012 #167

There already is. Callisto32 Dec 2012 #114

Wow, well that makes all the difference in the world. Thanks. we can do it Dec 2012 #133

I'm a big 2A supporter AlexSatan Dec 2012 #147

Just to lighten the mood toby jo Dec 2012 #121

"Now I am merely curious just how long I can string you along" - a Gungeoneer just now to me, apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #146

They are just disgusting. we can do it Dec 2012 #160

+1,000. n/t. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #161

Oh dear god, is that idiot still around? we can do it Dec 2012 #163

Yep - and still peddling NRA talking points day & night on DU - *even in the midst of this tragedy* apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #164

so you mean rightwing hack? Skittles Dec 2012 #166

Agreed. Thanks for saying it. nt Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #155

sounds so reasonable but.... Skittles Dec 2012 #165

It's becoming apparent that they value guns more than people. we can do it Dec 2012 #169

why should anyone need to be able to fire a hundred rounds in a short time? G_j Dec 2012 #174

Paranoid gun nuts don't even know 'why' the 2nd Amendment was written. Lint Head Dec 2012 #176

Du rec. Nt xchrom Dec 2012 #177