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nickinSTL

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75. I'm part of the problem? Really?

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:49 PM

Dec 2012

Would you like to explain how?

Where, exactly, did I promote guns? Because I own a gun? Because I said I *might* carry a gun if it were legal?

Because I didn't advocate banning all guns?

I'm 100% in favor of increased gun control. Make it harder for people to get guns. Require training & licensing. I also have no problem with banning of "assault weapons" (although that term REALLY needs to be clearly defined in order to ban anything).

I'm not a fan of concealed carry, either. I think it's a bad idea. I also know that it will inevitably come to IL, as it has to every other state. I actually hope the state government manages to put significant roadblocks up to it being widely used, but I don't have a lot of hope of that happening. If it is legal, I'm just leaving the door open, chances are, though, that I won't carry. Never have seen a need to be armed before, don't really see it's likely in the future. If you see that as "promotion of guns", that's your prerogative, but that's quite a stretch, imo.

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I am sick and tired of the fucking paranoid gun nuts. [View all] we can do it Dec 2012 OP

Completely agree. MinneapolisMatt Dec 2012 #1

Amazing considering you need a license to get married and to drive a car. we can do it Dec 2012 #2

NO! We need stronger gun laws. RoccoR5955 Dec 2012 #117

You forgot tanks AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #128

Tanks, rocket launchers, drones one can never have enough firepower. we can do it Dec 2012 #131

If heroin is outlawed only outlaws will have heroin mick063 Dec 2012 #3

When was the last time a person killed a bunch of movie-goers or shoppers with heroin? bunnies Dec 2012 #6

So it only counts if heroin users do mass killings? Remmah2 Dec 2012 #84

Gimme a break. bunnies Dec 2012 #93

Knives, bombs, now Heroin... Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #138

Polly wanna cracker? nt Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #8

This does not even deserve a response. we can do it Dec 2012 #31

Guns don't kill people, mindem Dec 2012 #34

A great line mimi85 Dec 2012 #97

I'm tired, too. Tired of the senselessness. Tired of the selfishness. we can do it Dec 2012 #108

that's why people should not be allowed to buy guns srican69 Dec 2012 #109

What other uses are there for guns besides killing? NONE we can do it Dec 2012 #132

i was hoping Mindem would have something intelligent to say by now... guess not srican69 Dec 2012 #178

Damn but that's a dumb response sharp_stick Dec 2012 #42

If you actually want fewer guns out there, the drug war should be a good warning Recursion Dec 2012 #70

That is the dumbest pile of shit on night full of dumb piles of shit. morningfog Dec 2012 #156

Stinking stupid we can do it Dec 2012 #168

Why is this NRA tripe allowed here? myrna minx Dec 2012 #162

The only people I know personally that "carry" are right-wing nut-jobs. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #4

My experience is very different, but I agree w/ your point about mental health. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #10

The majority of carriers I know sarisataka Dec 2012 #15

I don't care. I blame them too. tblue Dec 2012 #44

how do MrDiaz Dec 2012 #55

And that is exactly sarisataka Dec 2012 #58

Agreed Jonny Dec 2012 #129

I hang out with a fairly liberal crowd but none carry. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #81

More people have been shot sarisataka Dec 2012 #91

5 days ago? Another "unfortunate accident" in Pen... mikeysnot Dec 2012 #113

the people I know who carry nickinSTL Dec 2012 #20

WHY will you carry? maxsolomon Dec 2012 #37

honestly, I don't know if I ever will nickinSTL Dec 2012 #63

Then you are part of the problem too. tblue Dec 2012 #49

I'm part of the problem? Really? nickinSTL Dec 2012 #75

Umm, no. AFAI(or you)K, he hasn't shot up a school. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #107

And, they'll claim Obama set this all up in 5...4...3...2...1... GoCubsGo Dec 2012 #5

It's really pathetic. Hoarding guns and doomsday supplies. we can do it Dec 2012 #35

Yep. GoCubsGo Dec 2012 #76

Watch the NRA dwigthreeD Dec 2012 #41

We should be able to discuss the issue nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #7

I know, and maybe if we keep bring up the issue it can eventually be considered. we can do it Dec 2012 #12

Before this gets locked, let me say there is no such things as gun rights... joeybee12 Dec 2012 #9

Speaking of slippery slopes sarisataka Dec 2012 #13

Well, at the risk of angering you nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #18

The text states sarisataka Dec 2012 #32

The Dick Act maxsolomon Dec 2012 #40

I get a chuckle off that as well n/t sarisataka Dec 2012 #48

Regulated - Control or supervise by means of rules and regulations. we can do it Dec 2012 #43

Yes I have sarisataka Dec 2012 #53

Citizens used to actually educate and think for themselves in the 18th century, too. we can do it Dec 2012 #57

Uh oh, we are getting close to agreement sarisataka Dec 2012 #68

The problem with gun fetishists is that regulated means organized nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #59

Cool, I get another ignore sarisataka Dec 2012 #66

No, you are not on ignore nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #78

Well we agree on sarisataka Dec 2012 #98

So would you consider an average of 2 mass shootings and 20 people killed a year rbixby Dec 2012 #99

Not at all sarisataka Dec 2012 #100

The thing about privileges is that when they are abused Generic Other Dec 2012 #175

Just the 2nd amendment. Repeal it! n/t godai Dec 2012 #27

That would be the proper procedure sarisataka Dec 2012 #33

We don't need your acquiescence. n/t godai Dec 2012 #36

Never said you did sarisataka Dec 2012 #46

Actually, all we really need is one less right wing thucythucy Dec 2012 #154

I have not seen that quote previously sarisataka Dec 2012 #159

Not ignore, adjust. The Founders were smart enough to realize SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #69

I can agree sarisataka Dec 2012 #87

Be afraid! Love the gun, damn the dead. morningfog Dec 2012 #157

And who decides what's a relic of the colonial days and what's not? n/t Daniel537 Dec 2012 #17

The people of the USA. Women and blacks can now vote, slavery is illegal. we can do it Dec 2012 #71

When do we realize that the weaponry and tactics of the Revolution are far different neverforget Dec 2012 #145

Thank you. tblue Dec 2012 #51

Agree, but nobody in our federal government is going to cross the NRA. MoonRiver Dec 2012 #11

True, did you notice everytime this happens, someone invaiably..... we can do it Dec 2012 #14

Yes, I have noticed that. MoonRiver Dec 2012 #22

It's the inevitable conclusion from the statistic that shows gun violence decreasing with more guns Fumesucker Dec 2012 #25

"gun violence" needs to be parsed. maxsolomon Dec 2012 #45

Earlier this year, in Indy, at a gun shop ... Myrina Dec 2012 #62

You should see the line up to get into the monthly "gun show" nearby. we can do it Dec 2012 #73

"at least" 27 dead says CBS. LITTLE KIDS. When will it be enough? we can do it Dec 2012 #16

Well, this might shock people nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #19

Some of these tough guy supporters need to work in an ER or ambulance. we can do it Dec 2012 #21

I know... nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #23

AMEN. Come on over to MY HOUSE for a few shifts Care Acutely Dec 2012 #30

I think the nut in the Mall stole his weapon Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #24

How does one steal a gun from someone who has it properly and responsibly stored? we can do it Dec 2012 #28

With a torch. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #38

How often does this happen? How does someone know you own guns? we can do it Dec 2012 #50

Nope. Profiling. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #67

This isn't a common occurance, and the couple was caught. we can do it Dec 2012 #101

Yeah, but what was the tally? AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #125

2 people can carry out most gun safes Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #123

So apparently having guns isn't much of a deterent is it? we can do it Dec 2012 #141

well maybe you could use a gun... or ... Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #103

So apparently having guns isn't much of a deterent is it? we can do it Dec 2012 #143

RE: Hunting weapons should be singled out and expressly defined as not being part of the problem Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #83

ARs are assault rifles Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #102

You need to go back and follow my link the R-15 is a hunting rifle Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #118

Sorry but by definition it is an assault weapon Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #120

Re: by definition it is an assault weapon Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #127

Nope, thats an invented term with basically no particular meaning. PavePusher Dec 2012 #122

It was written into the law. It had meaning while the assault weapon ban was in place Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #148

The label had nothing to do with functionality or use. It is an invented label.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #153

If I use a butter knife as a screwdriver it is still a butter knife Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #158

Shrub did not let it expire, Congress did. PavePusher Dec 2012 #180

You have it backward. A thing is what a thing is and your misuse of it Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #179

If your hunting weapon was a single shot nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #95

ARs are assault rifles Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #105

Not by the legal definition currently at work nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #124

so then stiff penalties need to be imposed on those incapable of securing their guns.. frylock Dec 2012 #110

Why does it need to be used in a crime to be punishable? Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #119

The second amendment is STUPID in a modern era. Care Acutely Dec 2012 #26

Absolutely. n/t godai Dec 2012 #29

I wonder if the Syrian rebels would agree with you? NT Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #86

We don't live in syria, btw. we can do it Dec 2012 #96

I don't understand your point Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #130

what the hell kind of defense is your gun going to be against a gunship.. frylock Dec 2012 #135

I don't think the Tali ban got the memo Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #142

Tali ban? Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #170

I thought it was kind of weird too but that's how spell check edited it. Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #171

cool story, bro... Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #172

tali ban Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #173

It's like talking to a rock, isn't it? we can do it Dec 2012 #144

I wonder if the dead kids would agree with you _ed_ Dec 2012 #151

Well regulated militia nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #94

Me too maryellen99 Dec 2012 #39

One year moratorium on all gun manufacturing. ErikJ Dec 2012 #47

I consider everyone who is pro-gun a gun nut. tblue Dec 2012 #52

What does "pro gun" mean? slutticus Dec 2012 #90

that is fine MrDiaz Dec 2012 #54

Easy access and proliferation is what is being discussed. we can do it Dec 2012 #65

If all those kids had guns BobbyBoring Dec 2012 #56

Let the fucking gun nuts have their own little shithole. liberalmuse Dec 2012 #60

And what have you done toward this goal? oneshooter Dec 2012 #152

violence gets a green light SHRED Dec 2012 #61

Also first person shooter video games we can do it Dec 2012 #115

You can. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #64

Tell that to the kids who died at school this morning. IGNORE we can do it Dec 2012 #80

Very simple thinking. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #89

The Second Amendment has to be questioned as viable. Panasonic Dec 2012 #72

A license, every five years nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #74

Fuck gun rights. Taverner Dec 2012 #77

Thank you. we can do it Dec 2012 #88

This lifelong gun owner would like to make a modest proposal or two. Flatulo Dec 2012 #79

I am willing to let people own more than five rounds nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #85

Ah, Prohibition III. This time, it'll work, right? PavePusher Dec 2012 #126

That's a facile analogy. People can't make guns in their bathtubs or grow Flatulo Dec 2012 #136

Actually, you can make them at home with a few bench-top machine tools available at Harbour Freight. PavePusher Dec 2012 #150

Absolutely get the red out Dec 2012 #82

Guns for gawd- who would jesus shoot? we can do it Dec 2012 #140

My Dad Had a Gun redstatebluegirl Dec 2012 #92

OMG kindergartners. WTF is wrong with this country????? we can do it Dec 2012 #104

Im sick of wacked out humans who will kill no matter how they do it. underoath Dec 2012 #106

True, but how many can one kill efficiently and quickly without guns? we can do it Dec 2012 #111

are they trained with a knife? they could kill more people than underoath Dec 2012 #112

Do you get all of your really sharp_stick Dec 2012 #116

What about throwing stars or chainsaws....how about anthrax or kooties? we can do it Dec 2012 #134

so you would choose a knife over a gun in battle? frylock Dec 2012 #137

So you'd rather confront the gun-wielding maniac than the knife-wielding maniac? Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #139

At a kindergarten? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #149

how I despise people who say NOTHING CAN BE DONE Skittles Dec 2012 #167

There already is. Callisto32 Dec 2012 #114

Wow, well that makes all the difference in the world. Thanks. we can do it Dec 2012 #133

I'm a big 2A supporter AlexSatan Dec 2012 #147

Just to lighten the mood toby jo Dec 2012 #121

"Now I am merely curious just how long I can string you along" - a Gungeoneer just now to me, apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #146

They are just disgusting. we can do it Dec 2012 #160

+1,000. n/t. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #161

Oh dear god, is that idiot still around? we can do it Dec 2012 #163

Yep - and still peddling NRA talking points day & night on DU - *even in the midst of this tragedy* apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #164

so you mean rightwing hack? Skittles Dec 2012 #166

Agreed. Thanks for saying it. nt Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #155

sounds so reasonable but.... Skittles Dec 2012 #165

It's becoming apparent that they value guns more than people. we can do it Dec 2012 #169

why should anyone need to be able to fire a hundred rounds in a short time? G_j Dec 2012 #174

Paranoid gun nuts don't even know 'why' the 2nd Amendment was written. Lint Head Dec 2012 #176

Du rec. Nt xchrom Dec 2012 #177