General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: President Obama Richly Deserves to Be Dumped [View all]Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)First of all I was just pointing out that the article in the OP is what was editing history.
Next the problem with elevating McCarthy as some wonderful liberal ignores all the good Johnson did. McCarthy was simply and anti-war candidate.
After that you imply that the primary system was the mechanism by which candidates were selected in and prior to 1968, that simply isn't true.
Lastly, it is impossible to proclaim that Gore won more votes in Florida. The results were so close that it comes down to counting or dismissing "dimpled" chads. In most counts Bush wins, in a couple others Gore wins. The truth is that because of the votes Nader siphoned off from the more liberal of the two electable candidates we ended up with W. If Gore had asked for an entire state wide recount then maybe, just maybe, your argument would make sense. The sad thing is that even if he had gotten exactly what he had asked for (the limited recount) he would have still lost. Because of this the Supreme Court stopping the count did not cost Gore the election. (and the national popular vote means nothing, that is not the system we use)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_election_recount
^snip^
The media reported the results of the study during the week after November 12, 2001. The results of the study showed that had the limited county by county recounts requested by the Gore team been completed, Bush would still have been the winner of the election. However, the study also showed that the result of a statewide recount of all disputed ballots could have been different. The study was unable to review the ballots in Broward and Volusia that were counted as legal votes during the manual recounts thus analysis included those figures that were obtained using very loose standards in its calculations. Since these recounts resulted in a sizable net gain for Gore (665 net Gore votes) they have no bearing on the assessment that Bush would likely have won the recounts requested by Gore and ordered by the Florida Supreme Court. They do however play a major role in the assessment that Gore could have won a recount of the entire state if overvotes were taken into account. Without these votes Gore would have lost a recount of the entire state even with all overvotes added in. Unless 495 or more of those votes were actual votes then Gore still would lose. Note these figures also do not take into account a dispute over 500 asbentee ballots that Bush requested to be added to the certified totals. If found to be legal votes that would put Gore totally out of reach regardless of any manual recount standard.