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Hellbound Hellhound

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20. So could a jury find him not guilty because he DID clearly premeditate, but it doesn't match the charge?

Reply to elleng (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 10, 2024, 05:17 PM

Dec 2024

Asking for some friends who may or may not be in the jury pool.

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2nd degree murder? [View all] spanone Dec 2024 OP

Oh, yeah. 2nd degree. bucolic_frolic Dec 2024 #1

Must be. spanone Dec 2024 #3

Must not be. One could try reading the law before making assumptions. onenote Dec 2024 #22

The Ivy League teaches research skills Renew Deal Dec 2024 #45

NYS Penal Code: no_hypocrisy Dec 2024 #2

Crazy. Thanks. spanone Dec 2024 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author spanone Dec 2024 #5

Statute says differently dpibel Dec 2024 #10

Wild. Does that mean that Rex Heuermann Mike 03 Dec 2024 #12

That's felony murder dpibel Dec 2024 #14

Not 'only' murders of police. Why do people post inaccurate/incomplete information? onenote Dec 2024 #18

First-degree murder is the most severe homicide crime and is always premeditated and carried out with intent. elleng Dec 2024 #6

New York has its own degrees with this stuff Sympthsical Dec 2024 #7

Yes, that's where I found this. elleng Dec 2024 #9

More detail regarding first degree murder under New York law. onenote Dec 2024 #21

It appears this was premeditated and had intent, but as others pointed out, it's New York law. spanone Dec 2024 #8

So could a jury find him not guilty because he DID clearly premeditate, but it doesn't match the charge? Hellbound Hellhound Dec 2024 #20

Both first degree and second degree murder in New York require a showing of intent. So no. onenote Dec 2024 #23

Damn. Thank you for the clarification. Nt Hellbound Hellhound Dec 2024 #24

This is the normal process in most states. Ocelot II Dec 2024 #11

15 to life DeepWinter Dec 2024 #13

What are the chances that jury nullification might come into play in this case? rollin74 Dec 2024 #15

It's possible with a venue change TheProle Dec 2024 #17

we haven't even seen jury nullification with trump's numerous ecstatic Dec 2024 #44

What the ForgedCrank Dec 2024 #16

What is going on is that NY distinguishes between murder with aggravating factors and other intentional murders onenote Dec 2024 #19

See that ForgedCrank Dec 2024 #29

So did you read the definition of terrorism in 490.05, paragraph b of subdivision 1? Or the language preceding "b"? onenote Dec 2024 #30

I see ForgedCrank Dec 2024 #33

You can see it. The expert prosecutors don't. onenote Dec 2024 #34

I'm not ForgedCrank Dec 2024 #35

Luigi Mangione indicted on first-degree murder charge ForgedCrank Dec 2024 #46

Well, what you see is not what the law is dpibel Dec 2024 #37

Funny thing ForgedCrank Dec 2024 #38

You seem a little sensitive dpibel Dec 2024 #39

Not really, ForgedCrank Dec 2024 #40

What, exactly, is passive-aggressive about citing a statute? dpibel Dec 2024 #41

How dare you counter feelings with evidence! Iggo Dec 2024 #42

"That city"? dpibel Dec 2024 #36

In NY State law you must prove intent to commit a murder. They can go with 2nd degree murder and they Jacson6 Dec 2024 #25

Sure seems like 1st degree. I mean with the careful planning and all... brush Dec 2024 #26

First degree is specifically in NY law. onenote Dec 2024 #31

Here in California, "lying in wait" is a special circumstance. Iggo Dec 2024 #27

Theiy know he killed the guy Trenzalore Dec 2024 #28

Second degree murder and first degree murder are both "intent" crimes. onenote Dec 2024 #32

2nd degree is premeditated murder in NY Mountainguy Dec 2024 #43