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Cirsium

(3,960 posts)
166. Ahhhhhhhhhhh
Wed Dec 11, 2024, 05:05 PM
Dec 2024

I hadn't followed this case. I didn't follow the OJ case either, back in the day, and like with this case I initially could not understand why there was such an uproar and so much interest about the case. I didn't know then that his wife was white. I witnessed white crowds gathered around TV sets in bars, restaurants and coffee houses cheering and booing at every little twist and turn in the trial. It was grotesque.

I just discovered that the victim in this case, Jordan Neely, was Black. Who here is naive enough to believe that racism does not play a powerful role in the discussions about this, as it does in just about every discussion in the US about crime, politics and justice? Not I.

Today, still, in the year 2024, it goes on, the same ugly mob mentality. It is shameful.

I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice.

Martin Luther King Jr.


Now, it could well be that the choke hold was a last resort and was the only way to protect the other passengers from harm. I wasn't there and I was not on the jury. I am not addressing that. I am addressing the ghoulish commentary by people right here, and elsewhere around the country. I find it despicable.

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May all involved receive everything they deserve. niyad Dec 2024 #1
Perhaps some already have... nt yagotme Dec 2024 #2
Who do you think that is? nt Phoenix61 Dec 2024 #3
Perhaps it's a vague reply to a vague reply... nt yagotme Dec 2024 #4
Nothing vague about it. Most people have no difficulty understanding it. niyad Dec 2024 #5
You were not specific about all those involved. Therefore, vague. yagotme Dec 2024 #7
Do keep trying. This is most amusing. niyad Dec 2024 #9
I'm glad that I could entertain you in this manner. yagotme Dec 2024 #10
Come on, people. Have some lost their fucking minds? brush Dec 2024 #6
At least one of the individuals that assisted Penny in the videos I have seen yagotme Dec 2024 #8
As I said, Penny caused the death of an unarmed person who had touched no one. brush Dec 2024 #11
You and I will have to disagree, then. yagotme Dec 2024 #12
Ridiculous. A right of self-defense does not include choking someone who has not touched you and is unarmed... brush Dec 2024 #13
Your statement was an absolute... yagotme Dec 2024 #16
I don't think you've lived in NYC. If did you'd know the rules upon encountring a crazy person on the subway. brush Dec 2024 #23
I like the Will Smith rule: yagotme Dec 2024 #26
Ya just don't know do ya? Too many people are packin' nowadays. Best mind you business and/or move to the next car. brush Dec 2024 #31
No, I'm not from NY. yagotme Dec 2024 #32
Pls. common sense tells you not to choke someone for six minutes who hasn't touched you. brush Dec 2024 #34
Got it. Just walk away as it's not your problem. MichMan Dec 2024 #140
+1,000 BeerBarrelPolka Dec 2024 #35
That is no justification for murder Cirsium Dec 2024 #128
Read the whole thread. yagotme Dec 2024 #142
So what? Cirsium Dec 2024 #146
If you want to arrest, charge, prosecute, and mete out punishment to someone in NY, yagotme Dec 2024 #150
irrelevant Cirsium Dec 2024 #164
We're discussing an incident in NY. yagotme Dec 2024 #169
Give it a rest. Read posts 127 and 131. You have no idea how racist some in NY are. brush Dec 2024 #133
"Some" doesn't equal "all". yagotme Dec 2024 #143
Stop defending racism. White male privileged Penny caused the death of a Black man... brush Dec 2024 #145
There WERE charges. 2, total. He was found innocent by a jury of his peers. yagotme Dec 2024 #148
Eyes open please. It's obvious racism. Wake up. brush Dec 2024 #153
Again, I ask, show me where it is patently, obvious racism. yagotme Dec 2024 #154
No matter what is shown, posted or referred to you, you come back with the same stuff. brush Dec 2024 #155
You have NEVER come back with anything solid about this being racist, other than the color difference. yagotme Dec 2024 #156
Be who you are. Watch this video. Hear how the cops treated Penn buddy-buddy. brush Dec 2024 #157
I guess the POC witnesses were racist, too. yagotme Dec 2024 #158
Be who you are. Did you vote for trump? brush Dec 2024 #159
Should I even answer? yagotme Dec 2024 #160
I noticed you didn't answer if you voted for trump. brush Dec 2024 #161
I did, in a way, if you were paying attention. nt yagotme Dec 2024 #162
I suspected as much, so hardcore defending obvious racism. brush Dec 2024 #167
I suspected you suspected, thus, the answer I gave. yagotme Dec 2024 #171
It is New York Keepthesoulalive Dec 2024 #127
I know exactly what you're talking about. I remember "Guiliani Time" and the racist cop/... brush Dec 2024 #131
Stop and frisk Keepthesoulalive Dec 2024 #134
Yep, all of that. And we could go on and on and on. brush Dec 2024 #135
So you're not allowed to respond if threatened? DenaliDemocrat Dec 2024 #14
Do ya understand plain English? Penny was not touched. The guy was unarmed. brush Dec 2024 #18
He was charged SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2024 #80
I heard. So it's open season on disoriented, unarmed people... brush Dec 2024 #81
We'll have to agree to disagree SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2024 #84
You're correct. Bit the dead guy's family feels great about i... brush Dec 2024 #95
Why BeerBarrelPolka Dec 2024 #97
Oh please. Blame others but not the guy who caused the death. brush Dec 2024 #99
You're BeerBarrelPolka Dec 2024 #102
And you're the one who blamed them instead of the guy who caused Neely's death. brush Dec 2024 #103
Maybe BeerBarrelPolka Dec 2024 #104
Since we know Nothing about what his family has, has not done don't go judging them... electric_blue68 Dec 2024 #121
I understand verbal threats can result in actions DenaliDemocrat Dec 2024 #85
The man is dead, for God's sake. Penny didn't have enough sense to know choking someone for... brush Dec 2024 #86
Whatever DenaliDemocrat Dec 2024 #89
You would have shot him? Guess who's in the same boat you're in? brush Dec 2024 #90
If you come screaming at my car DenaliDemocrat Dec 2024 #100
Your car was not able to move? brush Dec 2024 #101
My state has No Duty to Retreat DenaliDemocrat Dec 2024 #105
It's might be just me but I'd rather move instead of blasting away at someone. brush Dec 2024 #107
I can't move DenaliDemocrat Dec 2024 #109
I meant move in your car. brush Dec 2024 #111
You have an excuse for everything DenaliDemocrat Dec 2024 #113
Sorry, we're not on the same wave length. I don't want complexities in life involving shooting someone. brush Dec 2024 #114
Yeah - you don't HAVE to stand in harm's way DenaliDemocrat Dec 2024 #115
Dude, I'm not judging you. I just asked if you could move away by driving away. brush Dec 2024 #116
Uh huh DenaliDemocrat Dec 2024 #117
What are you so angry and bitter about? I don't know you... brush Dec 2024 #118
Why are you casting negative motives on this poster? IF you were in a car even if disabled could you move? Maybe you... electric_blue68 Dec 2024 #124
Again DenaliDemocrat Dec 2024 #168
Word to the wise, unwise really. Have enough sense to not choke someone for 6 minutes. brush Dec 2024 #94
Thanks Cirsium Dec 2024 #129
Thank you. I have to push back. The guy getting applauded and getting off Scott free is just too much. brush Dec 2024 #132
I appreciate what you are doing Cirsium Dec 2024 #149
Thank you. Glad there are some who know injustice when it stares them in the face. brush Dec 2024 #152
"Touched" is not the standard FBaggins Dec 2024 #92
Have enough sense to not choke someone for 6 minutes. brush Dec 2024 #93
Sounds like reasonable advice FBaggins Dec 2024 #96
Not being guilty of a crime? He caused the death of another human being. brush Dec 2024 #98
See post 23. There are subway rules NYers know. brush Dec 2024 #27
So, violation of unwritten subway rules by non-NY'ers should lead to imprisonment. yagotme Dec 2024 #33
You're not making sense. If you kill someone who has not touched you... brush Dec 2024 #36
You're missing the point. yagotme Dec 2024 #40
Ok, Ms/Mr/Miss/Mrs police officer, show me that law in the books where that's Ok. brush Dec 2024 #42
Here ya go, Art 35 NY Penal Law. yagotme Dec 2024 #45
Nope,no one was touched. Guy was unarmed. brush Dec 2024 #47
Here's the paragraph again, since it appears you didn't read it. yagotme Dec 2024 #51
A-h-h-h-h-h sorry. Neely was not trying to commit larceny. brush Dec 2024 #57
Is reading the bottom half of a paragraph the way you make opinions? yagotme Dec 2024 #59
Be clear, what knocks my argument out of the water? brush Dec 2024 #63
Or if the person you are detaining is threatening bodily harm to other individuals, that may not be yagotme Dec 2024 #65
The case is over. Penny got away with killing him. brush Dec 2024 #67
Yes, I'm aware you see racism everywhere. yagotme Dec 2024 #68
Ok. Yelling you're hungry is threatening bodily harm now? brush Dec 2024 #71
You must have missed the part about witnesses claiming that he was THREATENING them. yagotme Dec 2024 #72
I'd like to know what was said besides yelling he was hungry? Do you that? brush Dec 2024 #73
Here's some: (watch video) yagotme Dec 2024 #74
It's like the prosecutor said, his intentions were good but he went too far. brush Dec 2024 #75
So, do you agree now that my statements were correct? yagotme Dec 2024 #76
I'm not switching anything. I've been very clear that there should be some form or... brush Dec 2024 #77
Even if he's not found guilty of anything??? yagotme Dec 2024 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Dec 2024 #55
Yes BeerBarrelPolka Dec 2024 #43
I disagree. NYers know to not engage with crazy passengers on the subway. brush Dec 2024 #52
The jury acquitted him on the lessor charge; the case is over MichMan Dec 2024 #56
That's foul. Open season on unarmed and disoriented and apparenty insane people. brush Dec 2024 #60
Well, after posting a paragraph from the law, and posting it again, yagotme Dec 2024 #53
Why do you think the faint pulse detected has any relevance? Quiet Em Dec 2024 #44
Because, if the true intent had been to kill Neely, Penny was doing a horrible job. yagotme Dec 2024 #46
Penny was successful in killing him. Quiet Em Dec 2024 #49
Technically, he was alive when Penny walked away. yagotme Dec 2024 #54
What? Quiet Em Dec 2024 #61
Fact: 1st responders detected a faint pulse upon arrival, administered yagotme Dec 2024 #62
I was questioning you calling the paramedics racist. Quiet Em Dec 2024 #64
If "race absolutely played a role in his death", and he died in the care of the yagotme Dec 2024 #66
Penny succeeded in killing him. Quiet Em Dec 2024 #70
As a NCY'r who Has been in a Subway Car with some loud people w mental illness feeling very uncomfortable... electric_blue68 Dec 2024 #123
Read post #45. NY law. yagotme Dec 2024 #141
They already ForgedCrank Dec 2024 #58
Sighhhh niyad Dec 2024 #83
I knew, from the beginning, Sundance1220 Dec 2024 #15
100% agree. comradebillyboy Dec 2024 #19
Spot on BeerBarrelPolka Dec 2024 #38
Totally agree BeerBarrelPolka Dec 2024 #37
I HAVE been in that Situation; several times. Very Uncomfortable!!! B&b NYC'r... electric_blue68 Dec 2024 #125
They overcharged Sundance1220 Dec 2024 #139
Not surprised at this verdict or the reaction. Elessar Zappa Dec 2024 #17
So murder is okay now? tenderfoot Dec 2024 #20
It is very victim dependent nt sarisataka Dec 2024 #21
If I ever see Kyle Rittenhouse I'll ask him. Emile Dec 2024 #22
Who was charged with murder? Bonx Dec 2024 #24
Found one of the cheerers tenderfoot Dec 2024 #25
Found a person that doesn't understand our legal system Bonx Dec 2024 #28
Am I raining on your celebration? tenderfoot Dec 2024 #29
open season on the homeless DBoon Dec 2024 #30
Thank you. Why are so few on this thread who don't seem to get that... brush Dec 2024 #39
What we have always been Keepthesoulalive Dec 2024 #136
Yeah, it goes way back in NY. "Giuliani Time", trump and the Central Park Five. brush Dec 2024 #137
What if SEVERAL someone's thought he was a threat? yagotme Dec 2024 #41
yes, then it becomes a lynch mob DBoon Dec 2024 #48
I think your definition of that term, and mine, are quite different. yagotme Dec 2024 #50
I'm very afraid that's true. mountain grammy Dec 2024 #87
Oh, dear. electric_blue68 Dec 2024 #126
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2024 #69
I won't weigh in on this, but I find it ironic how some had no problem rationalizing the killing of the UHC executive a JohnSJ Dec 2024 #79
Bingo. Total double standard. PeaceWave Dec 2024 #88
Exactly nt Raine Dec 2024 #138
I didn't see a lot of people rationalizing the CEO's death. Elessar Zappa Dec 2024 #163
six minute choke hold Skittles Dec 2024 #82
The court of public opinion doesn't matter. He was acquitted by a jury... PeaceWave Dec 2024 #91
The word hypocrite sure has become popular around here. Ilikepurple Dec 2024 #122
Perspective from CNN Kilgore Dec 2024 #106
Jordan Neely suffered with mental illness and went into deep despair when his mother Quiet Em Dec 2024 #108
Misdirected anger Kilgore Dec 2024 #112
Misdirected anger from who? Quiet Em Dec 2024 #119
Exactly my point Kilgore Dec 2024 #120
He is a murder victim Cirsium Dec 2024 #130
Would your opinion be different if he was actually committing assault against a mother and her child? yagotme Dec 2024 #144
No idea what is going on in your mind Cirsium Dec 2024 #147
I'm asking if your opinion still stands, with different scenarios in play. yagotme Dec 2024 #151
It is not clear Cirsium Dec 2024 #165
Yes, I am giving out different scenarios. yagotme Dec 2024 #170
Why are people surprised? Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #110
Ahhhhhhhhhhh Cirsium Dec 2024 #166
Are you aware that at least one of the people that helped restrain Neely was a POC? yagotme Dec 2024 #172
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