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antigone382

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106. Manure is only a waste product when it is concentrated in a small area.

Sat Jan 21, 2012, 07:53 PM

Jan 2012

On a properly managed farm, as in any natural system, manure is a key resource as a part of a larger cycle. If the animals are rotated effectively (as they should be), the manure is just fertilizer for the soil. Yes, it would require more pasture to do that; but bear in mind this is displacing the requirement for land currently devoted to intensive production of grains--and bear in mind that such crop production methods result in much more severe nitrogen runoff, due to fertilizer inputs on bare soil, than would be the result of pigs on fully vegetated pasture land.

Edited to add: I grew up on a farm. Livestock manure is like gold in terms of improving soil fertility and structure. It only becomes an ecological problem when it is concentrated in massive amounts and not distributed over a significant area and worked into the soil.

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Yes, I hate Paula Deen...here's why... [View all] joeybee12 Jan 2012 OP

Sorry joey I like pork, beef, fish, deer and I have even tasted horse meat. I wish I didn't but southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #1

Ever see her show? It's not about the meat...she is aligned with Smithfield Farms... joeybee12 Jan 2012 #2

Well to be honest I don't like Smithfield Ham anyway. Most of the time I just buy the cheap brand southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #5

She can make any food she wants... joeybee12 Jan 2012 #6

Simple solution Sherman A1 Jan 2012 #43

Livestock can be raised humanely obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #19

Thank you...that's the point...not the so-called "comfort food" she makes. joeybee12 Jan 2012 #23

Ok I don't disagree with that. southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #24

But factory farming hasn't. Which I believe is the point of the OP. Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #98

You have a point. Hmm indifferences. Well somehow when I get into a debate with some they southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #99

I only eat wild pig now Mojorabbit Jan 2012 #3

I watch her show in the vein of a comedy HockeyMom Jan 2012 #4

I find her entertaining. I don't cook like that but at the same time I don't believe in diet police southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #7

I agree HockeyMom Jan 2012 #11

I'm not getting your point...this is nothing to do with diet police... joeybee12 Jan 2012 #26

No I wasn't talking to you about that. I was talking with someelses comment. I mean I think I was. southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #28

It's totally hilarious to see pigs tortured and abused jsmirman Jan 2012 #25

Personal responsibility Blacksheep214 Jan 2012 #8

This is hardly her fault nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #9

Yeah, it is...she's their spoeksperson, she makes money from them... joeybee12 Jan 2012 #10

Name me one person on any cooking show that isn't a spokesperson for some company. hobbit709 Jan 2012 #12

Are you aware of what you read? joeybee12 Jan 2012 #14

I'm quite aware, thank you hobbit709 Jan 2012 #16

NAME me ONE CHEF who does something similar... joeybee12 Jan 2012 #20

When's the BBQ? hobbit709 Jan 2012 #22

I don't know - when would you like me to lather you up? jsmirman Jan 2012 #31

what is this, tag team posting. hobbit709 Jan 2012 #32

No, this is me jsmirman Jan 2012 #36

I admire what you did here tkmorris Jan 2012 #39

Thanks jsmirman Jan 2012 #41

That is not an argument nor an excuse MattBaggins Jan 2012 #86

So what company should she promote? nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #38

If I may suggest, Sera_Bellum Jan 2012 #13

You're right, but the responses so far makes it clear joeybee12 Jan 2012 #15

I care. Sera_Bellum Jan 2012 #18

I care too CrawlingChaos Jan 2012 #47

I care. And I don't like her either for this reason. She doesn't care about how Smithfield SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #87

Humans are actually helping the pig population snooper2 Jan 2012 #30

Yes, how very, very helpful jsmirman Jan 2012 #34

That statement is so stupid as to be borderline offensive. nt Codeine Jan 2012 #52

What pig farm should I be buying from? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #17

Gee, I'd answer but obviously you don't give a flying phuck...nt joeybee12 Jan 2012 #21

Just let me know and I will look for them in the grocery store. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #27

There are a growing number of pig farms switching to free range pigs. antigone382 Jan 2012 #61

I eat meat twice a day. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #69

Do what you need and want to do. antigone382 Jan 2012 #102

It's pretty hard to make an environmental case Major Nikon Jan 2012 #89

A couple of ways I would make an environmental case for pastured pigs: antigone382 Jan 2012 #101

High concentrations of animals makes dealing with waste more efficient Major Nikon Jan 2012 #104

Manure is only a waste product when it is concentrated in a small area. antigone382 Jan 2012 #106

It really all relatively a small area Major Nikon Jan 2012 #108

I can tell you that an unmanageable acccumulation of animal waste has not been a problem... antigone382 Jan 2012 #109

Sure it can Major Nikon Jan 2012 #110

Please list for us any Big Ag companies using jsmirman Jan 2012 #111

Check out this site. murray hill farm Jan 2012 #95

Thanks very much! antigone382 Jan 2012 #103

Good idea, keep making it as hard as possible for people to change. jeff47 Jan 2012 #74

I abhor factory farming, but Paul Deen is not responsible for that. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #29

So you don't get to choose who you endorse jsmirman Jan 2012 #33

So boycott Paula Deen; knock yourself out. It doesn't change the paradigm. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #40

Her smiling, "down home," "delightful" charm is the neat plastic-wrapping jsmirman Jan 2012 #48

+1000 CrawlingChaos Jan 2012 #49

Where was your computer built? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #50

Follow through on your point jsmirman Jan 2012 #51

So it's okay to give them money, but not to take money? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #54

Yes, one consumer is much more significant than a Corporate Spokeswoman jsmirman Jan 2012 #59

So you are swayed by corporate spokesman? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #67

Have a good solid look at the picture at the top of this thread jsmirman Jan 2012 #76

I've asked for which companies I should buy from in the grocery store and no answers have come. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #78

Veal is by and large the product of cruelty - however jsmirman Jan 2012 #80

There is a farmers market around me, but the selection there is lacking. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #81

Trust me on trying field roast jsmirman Jan 2012 #83

I'll try anything so if I see it, I will. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #84

It's at that point jsmirman Jan 2012 #85

Glad you've been posting so much here... joeybee12 Jan 2012 #58

I need a break, too... jsmirman Jan 2012 #66

Self-righteous indignation isn't an argument; the issue is much bigger than that. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #55

I eat meat...always have... joeybee12 Jan 2012 #60

I can see your point. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #68

Ok, I'm trying to put this in a way that isn't angry jsmirman Jan 2012 #65

Okay. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #70

Thank you. jsmirman Jan 2012 #73

There are more humane Sera_Bellum Jan 2012 #35

28$(9.95 for shipping) for 36 ounces of bacon! Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #37

Here is another. Sera_Bellum Jan 2012 #42

The guy who founded Niman Ranch (Bill Niman) refuses to eat their foods Major Nikon Jan 2012 #91

So should we hate Paula Deen or Steve Jobs more? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #44

I love this open letter to Paula written by Christina Perillo (Christina Cooks) graywarrior Jan 2012 #45

Christina rocks. nt Codeine Jan 2012 #53

Anyone who can beat leukemia totally rocks graywarrior Jan 2012 #57

Hammer meet nail. That was well worth the read! bullwinkle428 Jan 2012 #56

Glad you read it! graywarrior Jan 2012 #64

nor should she dana_b Jan 2012 #88

Indeed. She could really influence a lot of people to change their eating habits. graywarrior Jan 2012 #90

Now THAT is a legitimate reason to hate her laundry_queen Jan 2012 #46

Another reason to dislike her (in my opinion).. stillwaiting Jan 2012 #72

Disagree that her dietary choices caused the Type II laundry_queen Jan 2012 #75

You don't believe that eating the food that Paula Deen cooks and sells leads to Type II diabetes? stillwaiting Jan 2012 #79

In excess, it may. laundry_queen Jan 2012 #93

I don't believe she's selling her foods hoping people get diabetes! lol stillwaiting Jan 2012 #96

Very well said Son of Gob Jan 2012 #77

What is bothering me about this is she's using the disease to hawk pharmaceuticals. Initech Jan 2012 #62

It's one thing to make money...it's another thing to make joeybee12 Jan 2012 #63

Exactly. That's what truly stinks about this. Initech Jan 2012 #71

You do realize that drug has several advantages over other therapies? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #82

Understandable. flvegan Jan 2012 #92

In the larger context BrendaBrick Jan 2012 #94

We eat less meat because we're paying more for the humanely raised option Burma Jones Jan 2012 #97

I like Anthony Bourdain much more - he and Dean had a spat I believe. Lucky Luciano Jan 2012 #100

Thanks for posting this, Joey. a la izquierda Jan 2012 #105

The shows she did with Jimmy Carter B Calm Jan 2012 #107

the pictures make me nauseous Liberal_in_LA Jan 2012 #112