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In reply to the discussion: 53 killed in Bibi's attack on a UN school in Gaza [View all]al bupp
(2,544 posts)105. You, sir, demand solutions, but have none to offer yourself except more of the same
The sum total of Israeli's actions since October 7, 2023 have amounted a massive war crime, which you choose to defend while deflecting w/ a silly rant about what people's perspectives are or are not.
The fact of the matter is that your "solutions" are simply to justify more war crimes, more abuse of Palestinians, and to do so with reflexive accusations against those of us that are calling that out.
For reference, here's a Wikipedia article on the treatment of Palestinian detainees by Israel.
From: Palestinians in Israeli custody
The future of Palestinian prisoners detained by Israel in the context of the IsraeliPalestinian conflict is considered central to progress in the IsraeliPalestinian peace process.[1] Cases of prison sentences include the charges of terrorism or being a member of an "illegal terrorist organization", such as Hamas or prior to the Oslo Accords the Palestine Liberation Organization, but according to some accounts also by political activism such as raising a Palestinian flag.[2][3]
In April 2022, there were 4,450 Palestinian security prisoners in Israeli prisons including 160 children, 32 women, and over 1,000 "administrative detainees" (indefinitely incarcerated without charge).[4] According to B'tselem, since the outbreak of the Israel-Hamas war on 7 October 2023, Palestinians prisoners with Israeli citizenship have been stripped of many of their rights .[5] It further found that abuse of detainees is so institutionalized that the prisons should be called 'torture camps'.[6]
In December 2011, 4,772 Palestinian security prisoners were serving terms in Israeli prisons. Of these, 552 were sentenced to life terms.[7] By July 2024, there were 9,623 Palestinians incarcerated by Israel, 4,781 in administrative detention, for alleged security reasons.[8]
Overview
The Israeli military court system for the occupied territories, modeled partially on the British military court system set up in 1937,[9] was established in 1967, and had been called the institutional centerpiece of the occupation, and within it West Bank Palestinians are treated as "foreign civilians".[10]
The measures it applies, combining elements of colonial administration and martial law, cover not only incidents involving recourse to violence but many other activities, non-violent protests, political and cultural statements and the way Palestinians are allowed to move or associate with each other.[11]
Some of the problematic facets of the system Palestinian prisoners are subject to are, according to sociology professor Lisa Hajjar; prolonged detention of suspects incommunicado, impeding a client's access to his lawyer, the routine use of coercion under interrogation to obtain confessions and the introduction of "secret evidence".[12](emphasis all mine)
In April 2022, there were 4,450 Palestinian security prisoners in Israeli prisons including 160 children, 32 women, and over 1,000 "administrative detainees" (indefinitely incarcerated without charge).[4] According to B'tselem, since the outbreak of the Israel-Hamas war on 7 October 2023, Palestinians prisoners with Israeli citizenship have been stripped of many of their rights .[5] It further found that abuse of detainees is so institutionalized that the prisons should be called 'torture camps'.[6]
In December 2011, 4,772 Palestinian security prisoners were serving terms in Israeli prisons. Of these, 552 were sentenced to life terms.[7] By July 2024, there were 9,623 Palestinians incarcerated by Israel, 4,781 in administrative detention, for alleged security reasons.[8]
Overview
The Israeli military court system for the occupied territories, modeled partially on the British military court system set up in 1937,[9] was established in 1967, and had been called the institutional centerpiece of the occupation, and within it West Bank Palestinians are treated as "foreign civilians".[10]
The measures it applies, combining elements of colonial administration and martial law, cover not only incidents involving recourse to violence but many other activities, non-violent protests, political and cultural statements and the way Palestinians are allowed to move or associate with each other.[11]
Some of the problematic facets of the system Palestinian prisoners are subject to are, according to sociology professor Lisa Hajjar; prolonged detention of suspects incommunicado, impeding a client's access to his lawyer, the routine use of coercion under interrogation to obtain confessions and the introduction of "secret evidence".[12](emphasis all mine)
There's much more at the link about breaches of International law, deportation of prisoners to Israel which is a breach of the Geneva Convention, and Administrative Detention where Israel holds Palestinians for prolonged periods, without charging them or putting them on trial.
There is so much wrong w/ how Israel treats Palestinians that it's hard to know where to begin.
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Masquerading as civilians. But don't take my word for it. They are bragging about doing just that.
Beastly Boy
Dec 2024
#57
And are you under the impression that a Been A Dick Donald admin. will quit sending Israel aid?
MarineCombatEngineer
Dec 2024
#58
You already KNOW there are or should know !!! How would the IDF act if this was a
uponit7771
Dec 2024
#74
They all sound wonderful being spoken out of the safety and isolation of a
Beastly Boy
Dec 2024
#100
You, sir, demand solutions, but have none to offer yourself except more of the same
al bupp
Dec 2024
#105
There is no charge of weapons being used from that place, it's just the IDF excusing genocide.
lark
Dec 2024
#18
Weapons are not the only legitimate military target defined by the Geneva Conventions.
Beastly Boy
Dec 2024
#66
You already know there's a more effective way to clear UN schools... just stop
uponit7771
Dec 2024
#31
No, those kids had the terrible misfortune of being born in Gaza under Hamas.
Beastly Boy
Dec 2024
#65
Another default to the antisemitic label for anyone not supporting child slaughter.
Magoo48
Dec 2024
#38
Seems to be a lot of that going around, and not just in the general public.
MarineCombatEngineer
Dec 2024
#45
And the history of modern human habitation in the area do we also hate them going a hundred thousand years in prehistor?
Magoo48
Dec 2024
#48
Are you referring to the Semitic tribes of Canaan or old Levant? We rant they Polly-theistic?
Magoo48
Dec 2024
#93
What do you think "The big G in the sky told them this was ok to do. Forever." stand for?
Beastly Boy
Dec 2024
#59
Antisemitic is the default position of those backing Israel no matter to anyone not supporting the Israeli government.
Magoo48
Dec 2024
#36
In my opinion, any nation or group which kills unarmed noncombatants, especially children, is despicable.
Magoo48
Dec 2024
#50
obvious they don't have the military strength and even if they did blowing up a UN. School is all kinds of messed up
uponit7771
Dec 2024
#29