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Lizzie Poppet

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20. Only if such a regulation were actually obeyed.

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:55 PM

Dec 2012

I very much doubt that an outright ban on semi-autos and medium- to high-capacity magazines would be anything other than totally ignored by vast numbers of people. It would, however, create a massive barrier between a large (and previously mostly pro-law-enforcement) group of people and the police. That's not good.

There's a maxim known to military officers: "never give an order you know will be disobeyed." I think something similar applies to passing laws (see: Prohibition).

Mind you, I don't advocate the "shit happens" response you mention, either. I think there are reasonable steps to be taken to reduce gun violence in the US (the vast majority of which isn't this sort of spree killing by a psychopath, but is instead between criminals, drug or gang-related, etc.). Making losing your weapon to a criminal because you couldn't be bothered to take proper security measures a serious crime would be just one example.

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Honest question for those demanding immediate gun control [View all] Azathoth Dec 2012 OP

What regulation would have prevented this? Simple Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #1

So we get rid of everything except revolvers? Azathoth Dec 2012 #15

I didn't say "get rid of everything except revolvers", no Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #17

Sorry, I assumed you were implictly including things like pump-actions Azathoth Dec 2012 #23

Nope Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #25

"For self-defense in the home a shotgun is a better choice than a handgun." Azathoth Dec 2012 #51

You're aware of what buckshot does, yes? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #56

I am well aware of the effects of a shotgun blast Azathoth Dec 2012 #98

You know what Thomas Jefferson thought about the Constitution? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #106

Jefferson had a lot of changing and conflicting opinions Azathoth Dec 2012 #116

Wonder if you would say that if your neighbor oldbanjo Dec 2012 #62

Number four birdshot is enough for home defence Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #65

Who are you to tell someone else what they need? Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #88

My neighbor is about 300 yards away, oldbanjo Dec 2012 #94

I have my hand gun to kill anyone that breaks in this house. oldbanjo Dec 2012 #55

And how many times has that happened? Zoeisright Dec 2012 #92

you do realize WooWooWoo Dec 2012 #16

Handguns should probably be banned then quite honestly Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #19

Only if such a regulation were actually obeyed. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #20

It would if there were penalties for non-compliance Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #22

Perhaps. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #44

The standard magazine has been six rounds for decades. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #31

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #34

If we follow your logic, all handguns would be illegal. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #100

All handguns probably should be illegal, honestly. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #108

Disproportionate response. Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #86

Sure it is Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #96

I can't wait until that unconstitutional garbage is thrown out. Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #97

She shouldn't have been ABLE to legally purchase a death weapon MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #2

Yes! Sheldon Cooper Dec 2012 #10

I think you hit the nail on the head ... "And if the goddamn fucking fear-mongering terrorist group RKP5637 Dec 2012 #14

+1 Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #68

Assault weapons also include hands guns Marrah_G Dec 2012 #3

What handguns are "assault weapons"? nt Codeine Dec 2012 #5

Any one that assaults or harms a person TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #12

Here Marrah_G Dec 2012 #13

I would call any handgun that firs more than 6 rounds before re-load an assault weapon. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #49

The fed limit was 10 Marrah_G Dec 2012 #69

It should be lowered to six, except for police owned and controlled handguns. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #102

Ok, so you're proposing banning all handguns? n/t Azathoth Dec 2012 #59

It's specific handguns and combinations of accessories and magazines Marrah_G Dec 2012 #84

I'd be fine with banning all handguns, yes DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #109

"The guns were purchased legally" scheming daemons Dec 2012 #4

UK gun laws: Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #7

How incredibly sane of the Brits. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #72

So no weapons for self-defense at all? Just deer hunting? n/t Azathoth Dec 2012 #18

It's not legal to defend yourself in the UK...... oldbanjo Dec 2012 #78

"A single-action hunting rifle "???? oneshooter Dec 2012 #45

Until the 80's NO ONE needed anything more than a shotgun or .38 handgun DainBramaged Dec 2012 #6

Sorry, I didn't realize no one owned a 9mm handgun before the 80's n/t Azathoth Dec 2012 #29

You obviously didn't grow up before then. DainBramaged Dec 2012 #36

It seems that M1911 45s were around though nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #39

1911-style handguns have been prevalent for decades NickB79 Dec 2012 #41

Since 1911, of course they were. DainBramaged Dec 2012 #53

My sister in law was a cop in LA nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #66

1984 DainBramaged Dec 2012 #70

Retired nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #74

I think you're a post behind me...... DainBramaged Dec 2012 #77

The Browning Hi-Power has been common for decades NickB79 Dec 2012 #111

You're right.. letemrot Dec 2012 #42

Some 45's brought home from the wars yes. DainBramaged Dec 2012 #54

That be a .45 nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #64

OK, I made note of the .45's previously DainBramaged Dec 2012 #73

That explains some of it. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #75

My aunt (Mother's sister) lived in Camden until she died in the late 70's DainBramaged Dec 2012 #81

1935 Browning Highpower 9mm oldbanjo Dec 2012 #83

And? DainBramaged Dec 2012 #91

I never claimed 9mm handguns were prevalent back then Azathoth Dec 2012 #115

We were just discussing the same here at home, how would anything have prevented this short of 7x24 RKP5637 Dec 2012 #8

if there was tighter enforcement and gun owners held responsible if others get access to their guns bettyellen Dec 2012 #28

That, is an EXCELLENT idea!!! RKP5637 Dec 2012 #37

Exactly. Same with straw purchases. If you are a channel and you didn't take due TPaine7 Dec 2012 #43

Owners controlling access to guns is important, after background checks and registration. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #60

that too. I think there shld be legal penalties and huge fines for those irresponsible bettyellen Dec 2012 #89

I don't disagree. nt bluestate10 Dec 2012 #103

Technology my friend nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #79

Interesting!!! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2012 #87

Here, some good reading nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #93

Thanks, as always!!! RKP5637 Dec 2012 #101

I just read it, extremely interesting and this or something similar is the way to RKP5637 Dec 2012 #114

Also, how is that ban on cocaine working out? Cocaine is rare to non-existent, right? banned from Kos Dec 2012 #9

Cocaine has never killed 20 kids in a school all at once RetroLounge Dec 2012 #21

You missed the point. You can't ban something people will do anything to get. banned from Kos Dec 2012 #26

"There are 40 million people in this country who would die defending their guns." RetroLounge Dec 2012 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author oldhippie Dec 2012 #80

Grow the fuck up. No one wants to take your guns away. RetroLounge Dec 2012 #113

Anyone who would die "defending their weapons" likely deserves to. bettyellen Dec 2012 #33

YOU go take their guns away then. I live in Georgia. banned from Kos Dec 2012 #46

HA. No thanks. bettyellen Dec 2012 #85

guns aren't the same as a highly addictive drug like cocaine and so the analogy is dumb NoMoreWarNow Dec 2012 #50

You've never been around a gun nut who owns 10-20 guns. banned from Kos Dec 2012 #61

I suppose that's true NoMoreWarNow Dec 2012 #112

What regulation? This regulation... Comatose Sphagetti Dec 2012 #11

Seven. Le Taz Hot Dec 2012 #24

Uh, eleven Azathoth Dec 2012 #57

A Complete Ban on Unnecessary Weapons Taverner Dec 2012 #27

Sounds good. What is "unnecessary" and who determines that? n/t Azathoth Dec 2012 #58

I'd like to see limits on ammunition Turn CO Blue Dec 2012 #30

Wasn't some company working on ammunition justiceischeap Dec 2012 #40

Pretending there is no solution, is not a solution! you have a God damn nerve using the standard BS. DrewFlorida Dec 2012 #35

I didn't say there was no solution Azathoth Dec 2012 #38

Answer your own question mokawanis Dec 2012 #48

I don't know. I'm not a professor quizzing students. Azathoth Dec 2012 #52

the requested action is complete repudiation of the NRA and embracing rational regulation of guns bettyellen Dec 2012 #107

Hence my original question, exactly what "rational regulation" would have prevented this? n/t Azathoth Dec 2012 #117

do you not red anything here or are you just having fun with this? bettyellen Dec 2012 #118

I've read through the entire thread Azathoth Dec 2012 #119

The OP didn't claim there is no solution. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #67

It doesn't matter if greater gun control would prevent incidents like this. randome Dec 2012 #47

So there were no laws broken til that guy started shooting people! TheDebbieDee Dec 2012 #63

You just touched on the problem, and it is people with your viewpoint. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #82

I got news for you - many gun owners are already nuts! Everytime there's a shooting, TheDebbieDee Dec 2012 #104

Two points nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #71

It would be ironic if the fruit did nothing to address the precipitating event n/t Azathoth Dec 2012 #105

How about lesgislation about all guns being locked up at all times marlakay Dec 2012 #76

Making owners responsible for their guns is a cornerstone to good gun laws. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #95

I suspect this is the direction that future regulation will take Azathoth Dec 2012 #99

"You're just exploiting it to further a pre-existing agenda." Are you serious? rhett o rick Dec 2012 #90

A 'well regulated militia'... Blanks Dec 2012 #110

It's not about regulating guns, it's about educating the youth and caring for the mentally ill - Flagrante Dec 2012 #120

I agree n/t Azathoth Dec 2012 #121