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Cirsium

(4,106 posts)
31. Thanks again
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 02:06 AM
Dec 2024

You are making many good observations.

I would ask you to consider if "all men suck hate fests" and "all white people and their culture sucks hate fests" are actually happening. People are talking about race and gender as social roles, and institutional bias, not as personal qualities.

If it is a matter of people shutting down discussions on economic class, which I think is happening right on these threads, then that would be the complaint, yes? and not "all men suck hate fests" and "all white people and their culture sucks hate fests."

"Look at all we've done for you" is also happening right here on this thread, as if people don't know from their own experience whether or not they are struggling. It is condescending.

In the absence of talking about economics and class, it is just about impossible to talk about racism and misogyny, since both are subsets of class struggle. The economic advantage comes first, then come the rationalizations. Slavery in the colonies preceded racism, for example. Holding anyone down anywhere holds us all down everywhere. It is economic advantage that drives that, not beliefs or ideologies.

Here is another good article on this topic, written on the eve of the election.

If Harris Loses Today, This Is Why

By Milan Loewer

Excerpts -

The strength of economic populist messaging needs to be understood in the broader context of growing distrust of political and economic institutions, especially among those who feel left behind by postindustrial social change. For those who made it to the top, the new winner-take-all economy has produced tremendous fortunes and concentrations of power, while those who have not fared as well – especially blue-collar workers – are increasingly disillusioned with the status quo and pessimistic about the future.

But it’s not just working-class voters who feel that the country is headed in the wrong direction. In the face of widening inequality, trust in the political establishment has never been lower; fewer people than ever identify with either party; 70 percent of Americans believe that powerful interests are rigging the economic system; only 40 percent of lower-income Americans believe that it is still possible to achieve the “American dream”; and almost no one believes that the country is “headed in the right direction.” In this context, it’s no surprise that the strong populist message we tested – which calls out “billionaire crooks, big corporations, and the politicians in Washington who serve them” – performed so well with Pennsylvanians, and especially with working-class Pennsylvanians.



In the weeks leading up to the election, however, the campaign has attempted to distance itself from anything that even remotely smells of an anti-elite economic agenda, backtracking on previous commitments regarding price controls and capital gains taxes. Instead, the New York Times reports that the Harris campaign has turned to friends on Wall Street for campaign strategy and policy advice, prompting billionaire Mark Cuban to gleefully declare that the “progressive principles…of the Democratic Party…are gone. It’s Kamala Harris’s party now.”

https://jacobin.com/2024/11/harris-trump-election-messaging-populism-elites

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So voters rebelled against an affluent candidate in favor of a FAR MORE AFFLUENT candidate? Please. BamaRefugee Dec 2024 #1
80-90 million people didn't vote. SixteenTons Dec 2024 #2
Important point Cirsium Dec 2024 #13
Thanks. There's a wall and I'm not sure how you get through it. SixteenTons Dec 2024 #29
Thanks again Cirsium Dec 2024 #31
Post removed Post removed Dec 2024 #37
No Cirsium Dec 2024 #6
Can this gap be bridged? Timewas Dec 2024 #3
Apparently the answer is "no" Cirsium Dec 2024 #7
This makes no sense. leftstreet Dec 2024 #4
Not sure I understand Cirsium Dec 2024 #9
This wasn't a "class revolt" as the author suggests leftstreet Dec 2024 #23
Understood Cirsium Dec 2024 #24
You gotta be kidding me RANDYWILDMAN Dec 2024 #5
I know. More "Here's every thing the Democrats did wrong." Aristus Dec 2024 #8
the answer is MUCH deeper than those things you mention. WarGamer Dec 2024 #11
No it didn't. That's what racists say. They have no complaints about Elon Musk JI7 Dec 2024 #15
They do? Cirsium Dec 2024 #16
It's not good to deny bigotry exists. Elites mean Beyonce JI7 Dec 2024 #17
I would never do that Cirsium Dec 2024 #19
You can criticize whatever you want. I'm just not going to pretend JI7 Dec 2024 #21
I am interested Cirsium Dec 2024 #25
Not going to pretend what? ShazzieB Dec 2024 #36
Nobody here is denying bigotry exists! ShazzieB Dec 2024 #34
I don't follow you. ShazzieB Dec 2024 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author ShazzieB Dec 2024 #33
Of course Cirsium Dec 2024 #12
100%... wake up, people!! WarGamer Dec 2024 #10
Not this shirt again . Black women are the elites JI7 Dec 2024 #14
Who said that? Cirsium Dec 2024 #20
Yeah, nobody said any such thing. ShazzieB Dec 2024 #35
Oh dear, trying very very hard to do the Republicans are the Working Class Party bullshit. LOL betsuni Dec 2024 #18
Thanks Cirsium Dec 2024 #22
This is utter b*******. k55f5r Dec 2024 #26
It started way before Biden Cirsium Dec 2024 #27
One again elitism is bullshit. The real driver of the vote was hate. ananda Dec 2024 #28
Thanks Cirsium Dec 2024 #30
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