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slutticus

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66. Good luck having a rational discussion here

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:48 PM

Dec 2012

If you don't agree to "ban all guns now" as a solution, then there is no discussion.

We absolutely need stricter controls on gun ownership, but the problem is that there are already laws in place that are supposed to prevent this kind of thing: but they are not being enforced AT ALL.

The federally required screening of mental health status is not enough, california's laws are pretty strict but it's still too easy to get a gun here. In my opinion, there should be tests (and hard ones, the HSC test is a fucking joke...), plus functional testing/training AND a mental health screening test. And even then, your gun should stay at home or on the range. And then the other problem: who pays for all the enforcement? Maybe an ammo tax? Ammo costs around .30 cents to 1.00 per round. That's way too cheap.

Although what's the point of stricter laws if they aren't really enforced or are circumvented through loopholes?

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reinstate the assault weapon law that expired as a start? Sunlei Dec 2012 #161

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