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In reply to the discussion: I don't think the problem is so much the guns as the culture of violence. [View all]Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)53. The problem from a scientific perspective
really is that these cases are so rare (relatively speaking) that you don't have a large enough sample to extract meaningful information from.
It's a case of probably very diverse causes leading to similar tragic results.
What does Timothy McVeigh have in common with the Columbine kids, the Batman movie killer, or with Bundy? Are mass killers anything like serial killers?
Sometimes they are indeed psychotic, with long histories of mental illness.
Here's something from the Washington Post a few years ago. It's actually a pretty fair summary of the situation for a popular press story:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/16/AR2007041601831.html
Michael Welner, an associate professor of psychiatry at New York University, looking at it from the medical end, says, "There has never been a neuro-anatomical localization of mass shooting behavior."
Jack Levin, the director of the Brudnick Center on Violence and conflict at Northeastern University in Boston, author of more than two dozen books on murder and criminology: "We're still in the dark about where this comes from."
He co-wrote "Mass Murder: America's Growing Menace," in 1985. At the time, he recalls, "there was zero" research about mass killers, serial killers and the like -- the truly frightening icons of America's violent ways.
Since then there have been lots of books about serial killers, lots of brain research and many more mass shootings. There are MRIs and talk about high levels of neurotransmitters like dopamine and plunging levels of serotonin. There's research into the limbic system, a primitive part of the brain that controls emotions and behavior. New medications have revolutionized psychiatric care for depression, even psychotics.
None of it really touches the psychology of mass murder.
"In mass shootings, the killer is often killed themselves, so we don't really have the ability to interview and analyze them -- all you can really do is work off their behavior," says Neil S. Kaye, an assistant professor of psychiatry and human behavior at Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia. "The problem with that is that mass killers do this for multiple reasons, and even when you develop a profile of people at risk, 99 percent of them never go out and do anything bad."
Some of the research tells us the obvious: About 95 percent of mass killers are men, they tend to be loners, they feel alienated. They look normal on the outside and are really, really angry inside.
Jack Levin, the director of the Brudnick Center on Violence and conflict at Northeastern University in Boston, author of more than two dozen books on murder and criminology: "We're still in the dark about where this comes from."
He co-wrote "Mass Murder: America's Growing Menace," in 1985. At the time, he recalls, "there was zero" research about mass killers, serial killers and the like -- the truly frightening icons of America's violent ways.
Since then there have been lots of books about serial killers, lots of brain research and many more mass shootings. There are MRIs and talk about high levels of neurotransmitters like dopamine and plunging levels of serotonin. There's research into the limbic system, a primitive part of the brain that controls emotions and behavior. New medications have revolutionized psychiatric care for depression, even psychotics.
None of it really touches the psychology of mass murder.
"In mass shootings, the killer is often killed themselves, so we don't really have the ability to interview and analyze them -- all you can really do is work off their behavior," says Neil S. Kaye, an assistant professor of psychiatry and human behavior at Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia. "The problem with that is that mass killers do this for multiple reasons, and even when you develop a profile of people at risk, 99 percent of them never go out and do anything bad."
Some of the research tells us the obvious: About 95 percent of mass killers are men, they tend to be loners, they feel alienated. They look normal on the outside and are really, really angry inside.
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I don't think the problem is so much the guns as the culture of violence. [View all]
Jackpine Radical
Dec 2012
OP
Yep. Today people pretend to be killing machines, not hunters. It's demented.
reformist2
Dec 2012
#39
How old are you? I'm 42 and my GRANDPARENTS had all manner of automatic weaponry.
Edweird
Dec 2012
#80
I'm 66 and i had a m-14 and a 1911 in Vietnam in 1967 and 1968. You don't go hunting with your dad
upaloopa
Dec 2012
#111
Who do the hate and shock radio assholes advocate for? The NRA and gun nutz
Care Acutely
Dec 2012
#10
Absolutely and that they have been PAID to spew their Disinfomation makes it all the
KoKo
Dec 2012
#115
People feel marginalized... and they are... and they don't have the tools to cope.
dogknob
Dec 2012
#11
We want to eliminate war and we train our kids with video war games.
socialindependocrat
Dec 2012
#72
well thanks JR, isn't it funny that the people who don't want to discuss violence tend to bully
bettyellen
Dec 2012
#66
Yes...it seems the "shooter" was pretty isolated in his affluent neighborhood where
KoKo
Dec 2012
#119
Nice post. Why someone wants to kill is a problem more than the weapons used to do it.
Logical
Dec 2012
#24
And the "culture of violence" has nothing to do with the fact that all those guns are out there?
Bonobo
Dec 2012
#61
I don't know if I can explain this very well, but what I see is the eruption of the "shadow" out of
scarletwoman
Dec 2012
#65
"U.S. mass culture must surely be one of the most determinedly denialist of any society on earth"
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2012
#73
+1...And I wonder if the more sensitive in our population sees Cognitive Dissonance
KoKo
Dec 2012
#110
Kicking this because this is a thoughtful post worthy of more discussion. (nt)
scarletwoman
Dec 2012
#70
Yeah, it reminded me of the "Heavy metal is satanic" argument I heard over
GreenPartyVoter
Dec 2012
#106
I play a game, Civilization, where I am razing whole cities and slaughtering the populace.
Odin2005
Dec 2012
#95
Since this OP seems to be a rational discussion of the situation, I'll posit this...
Hugin
Dec 2012
#86
Culture and almost worship of violence in Media, Movies, even Commercials these days..
KoKo
Dec 2012
#109