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cyclonefence

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18. You are correct

Sun Dec 29, 2024, 12:58 PM

Dec 2024

and I'm afraid the misogyny is deeper-rooted than the racism.

In Hillary Clinton and to a much greater degree (because she is so much more at ease when speaking to crowds) we have run two absolutely superb, better qualified candidates--but they lost IMO because they were women.

I had some problems with Clinton's campaign, especially the "tin ear" she exhibited in some speeches, but the Harris/Walz campain was IMO flawless, and it was only Harris' gender that kept her from being elected. I'm sad to say that I don't believe women will vote for a woman president.

Sure, there are problems within our party--we don't have a deep pool of up-and-comers we can rely on and support (except IMO Hakeem Jeffries)--but I do not think we should run a woman again for the foreseeable future. And it breaks my heart.

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If not for the misogynists and racists... [View all] True Dough Dec 2024 OP

What we could have had... yorkster Dec 2024 #1

And the worst part is we are talking about the misogynists and racists in OUR OWN party. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #2

Iowa was a 50/50 state Bettie Dec 2024 #3

The numbers of Democrats who voted for Joe but not Kamala would have allowed her to win easily. Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #4

Right? I put that down to Bettie Dec 2024 #6

It would break my heart too much to say never. But for the next election, I really hope we don't Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #9

With that orange clown Bettie Dec 2024 #22

This white woman is one of the 47% that didn't Scrivener7 Dec 2024 #23

There are millions of us. And I'd guess the strategies used to suppress votes lostnfound Dec 2024 #47

I assume everyone here Bettie Dec 2024 #56

It's a 5% difference between 47% to 53% that's Not Exactly "largely". It IS howver Devastating in it's Outcome 😔... electric_blue68 Dec 2024 #53

Not counted: people who tried to vote but their ballots ended up misdirected or thrown out lostnfound Dec 2024 #46

Is Black still defined as having even a DROP of black blood? maddiemom Dec 2024 #21

His family was haole, but he was raised in Indonesia and Hawai'i Hekate Dec 2024 #31

Not talking about "perception" of others here; maddiemom Dec 2024 #70

President Obama won Iowa both times n/t MichMan Dec 2024 #27

Yes, he did Bettie Dec 2024 #57

THIS. onecaliberal Dec 2024 #13

And that helped defeat Hillary too. Asshole trump benefitted both times from it. brush Dec 2024 #51

Yup. Lots of people just plain suck. Joinfortmill Dec 2024 #5

A lot of people supposedly on our side stayed home Kaleva Dec 2024 #7

I do wonder how much of that was due to the voter suppression tactics mdbl Dec 2024 #8

Dems controlled the state in 2024 Kaleva Dec 2024 #10

Yes I got that. I was talking about states like GA where suppression tactics were in force mdbl Dec 2024 #17

Georgia had record turnout SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2024 #19

GA turnout was 64% of registered voters. The distance from 100% leaves a lot of room for voter suppression spooky3 Dec 2024 #35

And yet SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2024 #38

But that doesn't address the reality that voter suppression continues to be a problem. spooky3 Dec 2024 #40

We'll just have to agree to disagree n/t SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2024 #42

Facts are facts, not opinions. Read the Brennan report I linked if you are interested in facts. nt spooky3 Dec 2024 #43

I did read it SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2024 #44

I think we can agree that turnout for Harris was lower then it was for Biden in Dem strongholds Kaleva Dec 2024 #60

Voter suppression tactics throughout Red states had a strong influence on the outcome Hekate Dec 2024 #33

And the Brennan Center reports research on it spooky3 Dec 2024 #36

Trump has made claiming elections have been "rigged" a dirty word. We need to RECLAIM & REFRAME Hekate Dec 2024 #45

I believe it, and the fact tge Voting Rights Act got partly defanged x years ago. electric_blue68 Dec 2024 #54

Mi isn't a red state. Nor is WI or PA Kaleva Dec 2024 #58

And yet, New Jim Crow has come to town Hekate Dec 2024 #59

Not going to be able to do that in Mi despite Trump winning the state Kaleva Dec 2024 #61

I was writing about voter suppression tactics around the country at large, & settled on the term "red states"... Hekate Dec 2024 #62

I was talking about how Harris got fewer votes then Biden did in traditional Dem strongholds Kaleva Dec 2024 #63

I see. Wasn't that the area that Jillski Stein cultivated? And encouraged a lot of Muslim-Americans to... Hekate Dec 2024 #64

Using that standard, political ads could be considered voter suppression Kaleva Dec 2024 #65

If you choose to construe her activities (and Russia's) that narrowly, so be it. But apparently... Hekate Dec 2024 #66

Harris underperformed in other regions too Kaleva Dec 2024 #71

The home of "uncommitted", "Muslims for Trump" and "Killer Kamala" LeftInTX Dec 2024 #52

"make him look like a total bitch"??? WTF does that even mean? Sexist much? niyad Dec 2024 #11

For a language without specific gender for things like table or chair, we sure use a lot of gendered terms EdmondDantes_ Dec 2024 #25

I was sure after that debate that she would beat him easily DeeDeeNY Dec 2024 #12

Bitch MuirWoods Dec 2024 #14

Trump isn't a member of society. He's barely human. Autumn Dec 2024 #15

Yes. Nt spooky3 Dec 2024 #26

Thank you iemanja Dec 2024 #55

The Most Experienced Person Mr.Bee Dec 2024 #16

"...and Jabba The Hut out." 3catwoman3 Dec 2024 #37

You are correct cyclonefence Dec 2024 #18

It's worse than that... appmanga Dec 2024 #28

I thought her campaign was flawless, too. CrispyQ Dec 2024 #32

Agree, the misogyny was strong (also racism, but we did manage to elect Obama) - TBF Dec 2024 #20

And when things get bad enough again... appmanga Dec 2024 #29

That was a beat down. He had nothin.' She would make a great President. Loved Walz too.. Evolve Dammit Dec 2024 #24

I can't fathom why she lost. I_UndergroundPanther Dec 2024 #30

Mothers and teachers Godot51 Dec 2024 #34

The criminal won and the prosecutor lost Blue Owl Dec 2024 #39

Exactly! Pundits and everyone else has weighed in about this loss. But, most don't talk about the real reason PortTack Dec 2024 #41

The smirk on his face says he's scared to death of her dai13sy Dec 2024 #48

All she needed was a fuckface billionaire to buy the electon for her for $250M. Orrex Dec 2024 #49

methinks someday we will know what really happened to the vote... bluboid Dec 2024 #50

Yeah, they got more votes than us Polybius Dec 2024 #68

And don't forget that Donnie chickened out of a second debate Blue_Tires Dec 2024 #67

There's a whole list of reasons why Polybius Dec 2024 #69