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haele

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4. Shakespeare was observant, empathic, and quick witted.
Fri Jan 3, 2025, 01:15 PM
Jan 2025

Add to that enough literacy to be able to write, and a lot of "down time" to do so - is that a form of genius?
Wouldn't Shakespeare the equivalent of Mark Twain, George Barnard Shaw, or Hunter S. Thompson, without the distractions of technology? We know about him just because the Printing Press came along in time for his Folios for his more popular plays to be printed after he died -as many of them appeared to be still politically relevant at the time.
The fallacy of ancestral infantilism comes from later generations belief that it must have been a magical spark of genius (or Gods or Aliens) to make technological advances, when for the most part, archeology and historical research shows us the "genius" - curiosity or intuition - has always been around since hominids began to figure out tools; it just takes time for technology to be leveraged upon enough to get to where we are now.
People can be outward oriented, observant, curious or imaginative. They can be Artists, creating out of what appears to be a whisper of a feeling or a word.
Or they (pretty much the majority of people)can be self oriented or followers, feeling comfortable living or working with a regular, set routine. They can vary between Artisans and Drones, working or leveraging off an existing framework or rule-set.
Or a combination of all of above.

Genius occurs everywhere, but to define the point where quickness and cleverness becomes Genius often confuses the distinction between a clever person who can bring a product to market quickly with someone who takes time and effort working out a proof on an innovation before it can be brought to market.

Is the seller who markets and profits off the product the genius, or the engineer or artist who took the time to develop and perfects/proofs the product the genius? Or are they both geniuses?

Should there be a distinction between the two if they're separate?

Haele



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Shakespeare and Myths About Genius [View all] GreatGazoo Jan 2025 OP
Great post Prairie Gates Jan 2025 #1
Edison and Ford also GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #2
Huckleberry Finn had nothing to do with Finnish people. Finn is a Irish-derived name and Twain stated the inspiration Celerity Jan 2025 #35
Yes - Blankenship was an inspiration but GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #37
FWIW, everyone agrees it's the Irish origin. It came from a real "Jimmy Finn" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2025 #41
I concede. GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jan 2025 #44
That's a refreshing reminder peggysue2 Jan 2025 #3
Shakespeare was observant, empathic, and quick witted. haele Jan 2025 #4
We often use "art" or "artist" as a general complement GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #8
Shakespeare had it easy in school... underpants Jan 2025 #5
Loved Cunk on Shakespeare GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #9
Hilarious underpants Jan 2025 #13
I loved the bit with the gloves GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #19
That's the most irreverent take on Shakespeare I've ever heard peggysue2 Jan 2025 #15
And a case in point: Good Will Hunting localroger Jan 2025 #6
Yes! GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #10
Probably the best thing about that flick was the music. miyazaki Jan 2025 #18
I have that soundtrack in my CD jukebox GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #20
Ya it does have a certain moodiness for sure. miyazaki Jan 2025 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jan 2025 #33
Armageddon makes specific reference to the K-T impactor. So what? localroger Jan 2025 #40
It's relatively easy to explain how Shakespeare could have set his plays thucythucy Jan 2025 #7
Exactly. Shakespeare's true gift was his knack for beautiful prose and poetry. Aristus Jan 2025 #11
Respectfully, pub conversations don't fill the gap. GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #12
He very well might have visited Italy thucythucy Jan 2025 #14
I had heard about Patrick Stewart's Shakespeare roles but had not seen any clips GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #17
Your work sounds fascinating. thucythucy Jan 2025 #26
Thanks -- History is much more fun that I thought it would be GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #38
The printing press was over a hundred years old Retrograde Jan 2025 #28
I approach the Shakespeare biography as a historian GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #30
Thanks for the info on Henslowe Retrograde Jan 2025 #31
Marchette Chute's "Shakespeare of London" is also another valuable resource. C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #34
Henslowe is a gold mine GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #36
I dont want bloody knuckles or nose, I confess GusBob Jan 2025 #16
Shakespeare was forgotten for 150 years Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #22
Thanks for the wonderful post, GreatGazoo. C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #23
Do you think he wrote Mucedorus? GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #24
Having never read Mucedorus (but I will now) here is my analysis. Apologies for the length. C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #25
Hi Great Gazoo C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #32
Thanks for that. Now I have to re-read it... GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #39
You're welcome-- it won't take long. The version I read has Mucedorus using a club to kill Bremo with one blow. C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #43
A grammar-school education was pretty rigorous back then. The church also educated. viva la Jan 2025 #27
Wonderful post, will re-read soon, thanks! UTUSN Jan 2025 #29
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