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thucythucy

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7. It's relatively easy to explain how Shakespeare could have set his plays
Fri Jan 3, 2025, 12:33 PM
Jan 2025

in places he'd never visited.

For many of them he relied on older plays or--in the case of the history plays--biographies or other works of history, most notably Raphael Holinshed's Chronicles of England, Scotland and Ireland. Romeo and Juliet, set in Italy, was a well known story that had already been published--as poetry--in French, Italian, and English. The English poem was a best seller in its day, written by Arthur Brooke, and several plays based on his poem were acted even before Shakespeare's.

Similarly, Shakespeare's work is full of nautical expressions and allusions. Although there's no evidence--none that I'm aware of anyway--that he ever went to sea, the pubs of London at the time were always filled with sailors, and Shakespeare might well have gotten his nautical knowledge from them.

Of course much of his work is totally original--at least we don't know of earlier versions. This is especially true of his characters. While the main plot of "Much Ado About Nothing" is based on a story by Matteo Bandello, the subplot about the love/hate relationship between Benedick and Beatrice is entirely Shakespeare's and is far and away the best part of the play. This happens quite often. Shakespeare takes a rather mediocre source--and Bandello's story is in fact pretty awful--and punches it up almost beyond recognition. Mark Antony's speech in Julius Caesar is another example of this. Shakespeare's source was evidently an English translation of Plutarch's Lives, but Plutarch only mentions that Antony used his speech to inflame the crowd. The speech that famously begins, "Friends Romans countrymen lend me your ears" was entirely Shakespeare's.

Just an aside: if you want a treat, find Marlon Brando's rendition of this speech. An absolutely amazing performance.

Yes, Shakespeare was a genius. But it isn't any magical knowledge of places and people he never saw or met, but rather his stunning use of language that sets him so far above other writers.

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Shakespeare and Myths About Genius [View all] GreatGazoo Jan 2025 OP
Great post Prairie Gates Jan 2025 #1
Edison and Ford also GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #2
Huckleberry Finn had nothing to do with Finnish people. Finn is a Irish-derived name and Twain stated the inspiration Celerity Jan 2025 #35
Yes - Blankenship was an inspiration but GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #37
FWIW, everyone agrees it's the Irish origin. It came from a real "Jimmy Finn" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2025 #41
I concede. GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jan 2025 #44
That's a refreshing reminder peggysue2 Jan 2025 #3
Shakespeare was observant, empathic, and quick witted. haele Jan 2025 #4
We often use "art" or "artist" as a general complement GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #8
Shakespeare had it easy in school... underpants Jan 2025 #5
Loved Cunk on Shakespeare GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #9
Hilarious underpants Jan 2025 #13
I loved the bit with the gloves GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #19
That's the most irreverent take on Shakespeare I've ever heard peggysue2 Jan 2025 #15
And a case in point: Good Will Hunting localroger Jan 2025 #6
Yes! GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #10
Probably the best thing about that flick was the music. miyazaki Jan 2025 #18
I have that soundtrack in my CD jukebox GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #20
Ya it does have a certain moodiness for sure. miyazaki Jan 2025 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jan 2025 #33
Armageddon makes specific reference to the K-T impactor. So what? localroger Jan 2025 #40
It's relatively easy to explain how Shakespeare could have set his plays thucythucy Jan 2025 #7
Exactly. Shakespeare's true gift was his knack for beautiful prose and poetry. Aristus Jan 2025 #11
Respectfully, pub conversations don't fill the gap. GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #12
He very well might have visited Italy thucythucy Jan 2025 #14
I had heard about Patrick Stewart's Shakespeare roles but had not seen any clips GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #17
Your work sounds fascinating. thucythucy Jan 2025 #26
Thanks -- History is much more fun that I thought it would be GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #38
The printing press was over a hundred years old Retrograde Jan 2025 #28
I approach the Shakespeare biography as a historian GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #30
Thanks for the info on Henslowe Retrograde Jan 2025 #31
Marchette Chute's "Shakespeare of London" is also another valuable resource. C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #34
Henslowe is a gold mine GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #36
I dont want bloody knuckles or nose, I confess GusBob Jan 2025 #16
Shakespeare was forgotten for 150 years Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #22
Thanks for the wonderful post, GreatGazoo. C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #23
Do you think he wrote Mucedorus? GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #24
Having never read Mucedorus (but I will now) here is my analysis. Apologies for the length. C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #25
Hi Great Gazoo C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #32
Thanks for that. Now I have to re-read it... GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #39
You're welcome-- it won't take long. The version I read has Mucedorus using a club to kill Bremo with one blow. C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #43
A grammar-school education was pretty rigorous back then. The church also educated. viva la Jan 2025 #27
Wonderful post, will re-read soon, thanks! UTUSN Jan 2025 #29
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