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GreatGazoo

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36. Henslowe is a gold mine
Sun Jan 5, 2025, 08:23 AM
Jan 2025

and likely survived, ironically, only because paper was so scarce thus the same folio was reused.

In transcribed and searchable format:
https://archive.org/details/cu31924026121305/page/n95/mode/2up?view=theater

The Shakespeare works were steadily improved over most of a lifetime and perhaps polished yet again in 1623. I agree that having more posh origins is SEEN (perhaps feared) as making the works less attractive to wider audiences but I think their strength and appeal comes from what is on the page -- the economy of the language, the polish, the power to evoke. Eg. "We are such stuff as dreams are made on and our little lives are rounded with a sleep." They show someone who was obsessed with languages, not just English.

It is easy to rule out the Stratford origins based on the available documents which show a person who is nothing like the author. The person in those legal documents is petty and vindictive, leaving his wife only "the second best bed". More damning to the case are the abbreviated "signatures" made on their behalf and in secretary hand. I find it impossible to fathom that the greatest writer in the English language could not sign his own name but it such illiteracy is perfectly consistent with the life of a market town business man whose parents and children were illiterate at a time when most people were.

Some have theorized that the Shakespeare manuscripts were destroyed in the Ben Jonson desk fire. The timing of which fits with the folio publication. Recently Robert Prechter published his work which alleges that the hand behind Shakespeare wrote under a dozen other pennames and he lays out a timeline of when names were introduced and retired. It is fascinating even if not completely satisfying in its proof. He says he published because he wanted feedback and he will revise as facts demand.

Lost in the popular understanding of Shakespeare is that the most popular works published with that name were also the first ones to use it -- the long, erotic poetry of 'Venus and Adonis' and 'Lucrece'. These are explained away as something that Shakespeare was reduced to doing during the plague when theaters were closed but they read nothing like a first effort by a market town grain dealer. Far easier to see them as the works of someone in midlife; someone with a strong background in classical literature. IIRC the first printing was anonymous, the second used a hyphen to signal that "Shake-speare" (verb + noun) was a pseudonym. OTOH Shakspere (pronounced like Shack Spur) was a very common surname. Shakespeare is a pseudonym even if Shakspere was the one using it.

Proving who didn't write it is far easier than proving who did. Bacon was never a good candidate and that is why the traditionalist like that to cite that one. Marlowe fits the timing and the style but deVere checks all the boxes. Whole other discussion. Read a great book last year by a journalist who stumbled into the same fire storm that Samuel Clemens, Freud, John Paul Stevens, Mark Rylance and hundreds of others found. Her book looks at the whole phenomenon of the "forbidden" Stratford debate and builds on that by looking at the often dysfunctional dynamics of academia.

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Shakespeare and Myths About Genius [View all] GreatGazoo Jan 2025 OP
Great post Prairie Gates Jan 2025 #1
Edison and Ford also GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #2
Huckleberry Finn had nothing to do with Finnish people. Finn is a Irish-derived name and Twain stated the inspiration Celerity Jan 2025 #35
Yes - Blankenship was an inspiration but GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #37
FWIW, everyone agrees it's the Irish origin. It came from a real "Jimmy Finn" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2025 #41
I concede. GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jan 2025 #44
That's a refreshing reminder peggysue2 Jan 2025 #3
Shakespeare was observant, empathic, and quick witted. haele Jan 2025 #4
We often use "art" or "artist" as a general complement GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #8
Shakespeare had it easy in school... underpants Jan 2025 #5
Loved Cunk on Shakespeare GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #9
Hilarious underpants Jan 2025 #13
I loved the bit with the gloves GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #19
That's the most irreverent take on Shakespeare I've ever heard peggysue2 Jan 2025 #15
And a case in point: Good Will Hunting localroger Jan 2025 #6
Yes! GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #10
Probably the best thing about that flick was the music. miyazaki Jan 2025 #18
I have that soundtrack in my CD jukebox GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #20
Ya it does have a certain moodiness for sure. miyazaki Jan 2025 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jan 2025 #33
Armageddon makes specific reference to the K-T impactor. So what? localroger Jan 2025 #40
It's relatively easy to explain how Shakespeare could have set his plays thucythucy Jan 2025 #7
Exactly. Shakespeare's true gift was his knack for beautiful prose and poetry. Aristus Jan 2025 #11
Respectfully, pub conversations don't fill the gap. GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #12
He very well might have visited Italy thucythucy Jan 2025 #14
I had heard about Patrick Stewart's Shakespeare roles but had not seen any clips GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #17
Your work sounds fascinating. thucythucy Jan 2025 #26
Thanks -- History is much more fun that I thought it would be GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #38
The printing press was over a hundred years old Retrograde Jan 2025 #28
I approach the Shakespeare biography as a historian GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #30
Thanks for the info on Henslowe Retrograde Jan 2025 #31
Marchette Chute's "Shakespeare of London" is also another valuable resource. C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #34
Henslowe is a gold mine GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #36
I dont want bloody knuckles or nose, I confess GusBob Jan 2025 #16
Shakespeare was forgotten for 150 years Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #22
Thanks for the wonderful post, GreatGazoo. C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #23
Do you think he wrote Mucedorus? GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #24
Having never read Mucedorus (but I will now) here is my analysis. Apologies for the length. C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #25
Hi Great Gazoo C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #32
Thanks for that. Now I have to re-read it... GreatGazoo Jan 2025 #39
You're welcome-- it won't take long. The version I read has Mucedorus using a club to kill Bremo with one blow. C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #43
A grammar-school education was pretty rigorous back then. The church also educated. viva la Jan 2025 #27
Wonderful post, will re-read soon, thanks! UTUSN Jan 2025 #29
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