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stevenleser

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163. The OP wasn't calling for a discussion or a dialog. There is no need to do that.

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:48 AM

Dec 2012

I think people are too used to some journalists who try to be fair when one side is completely bonkers.

If the Republican Party started advocating ritual sacrifice, I think some journalists would still try to be 'fair' and present that side as having as much merit as the non-ritual sacrifice Democrats.

2nd amendment folks think that owning a portable instrument that shoots lethal metal pellets is more important of a right than protecting the life and liberty of the rest of the people.

That argument is bonkers and does not deserve to be afforded the same status as the folks wanting to protect the life and liberty of the rest of the people.

There is a reason most of the rest of the first world's Democracies restricts guns much more than we do.

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To the 2nd amendment extremists - you have the blood of children on your hands [View all] Politicub Dec 2012 OP

We say this after every shooting - but hopefully now "Enough is Enough" cbdo2007 Dec 2012 #1

This shooting is different and will tug at the heartstring of parents and those Politicub Dec 2012 #4

I thought that about Columbine dsc Dec 2012 #11

Columbine was teenager on teenager violence, this... Hayabusa Dec 2012 #13

True. PM Martin Dec 2012 #2

Those NRA members who are responsible gun owners... sanatanadharma Dec 2012 #3

And there are some responsible gun owners. But they're just as guilty if they Politicub Dec 2012 #8

You're 100% correct: All NRA supporters are guilty and they are aligning themselves with byeya Dec 2012 #86

Very few gun owners are NRA members hack89 Dec 2012 #85

True, but the NRA is a LOBBY, and not for "the people"... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #149

Have you ever wondered why there is no gun control group hack89 Dec 2012 #150

Wonder which politicians are NRA members..time for google SummerSnow Dec 2012 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Dec 2012 #182

I accept those words just fine, but they are not a limiting condition on anything but the militia... PavePusher Dec 2012 #104

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #158

ENOUGH!!!! There are no words. cbayer Dec 2012 #5

Not Enough Jonny Dec 2012 #52

Since you have found your enemy, start a witch hunt. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #177

It's my observation that the gun lovers hide under rocks on a day like today. Loudly Dec 2012 #6

TIPPING POINT! n/t godai Dec 2012 #7

What makes one an "extremist"? N/T Marengo Dec 2012 #9

If you need to ask that question today, then you are one. Politicub Dec 2012 #10

Nonsensical response. I'll ask again, what makes one "extremist"? N/T Marengo Dec 2012 #12

I would say contributing to the NRA, taking an absolutist position on gun rights, Politicub Dec 2012 #16

It is you who are apparently confused.... Marengo Dec 2012 #20

Ok. We're all wrong and you are the bringer of truth Politicub Dec 2012 #26

You never read about 18 kids being "knifed" down by a killer scheming daemons Dec 2012 #32

Except, that you do. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #45

I heard that was the number of injured, not killed Tsiyu Dec 2012 #100

Injured THIS TIME. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #102

I don't care how you parse it Tsiyu Dec 2012 #103

And yet, I was able to find at least 3 instances of it in under a minute. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #105

Well pat yourself on the back, then Tsiyu Dec 2012 #109

Thanks. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #110

Eight isn't a lot? Marengo Dec 2012 #118

those same people could have quadrupled their death counts had they used guns bettyellen Dec 2012 #126

IMO, a "could have" argument is irrelevant in the collective culpubilty debate. Marengo Dec 2012 #128

it merely blows your completely false equivelency of knives = guns out of the water. bettyellen Dec 2012 #147

No, it doesn't... Marengo Dec 2012 #154

COngrats! You just revealed yourself as an extermist! morningfog Dec 2012 #136

And your definition of extremist is...? Marengo Dec 2012 #141

Like porn, you know it when you see it. morningfog Dec 2012 #144

Unintentionally I'm certain, but comical on your part Marengo Dec 2012 #159

The death toll isn't the point... Marengo Dec 2012 #108

you are making a joke of the issue by suggesting "knife control" . REVOLTING bettyellen Dec 2012 #127

Collective culpability is a joke? Marengo Dec 2012 #130

Scotland is pushing for such, and Boston is considering as well. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #178

You can outrun a guy with a knife but you can't outrun a bullet genius neverforget Dec 2012 #33

Really? Everyone? In all cases?... Marengo Dec 2012 #111

Prove outrunning a bullet neverforget Dec 2012 #125

Well, we certainly can't apply the label of genius to you... Marengo Dec 2012 #131

If said law-abiding gun owners.... paleotn Dec 2012 #90

Edged tools are never used for defense or offense? Marengo Dec 2012 #115

We need to drown the NRA in a bathtub Taverner Dec 2012 #113

So you agree that you can't outrun a bullet but you can outrun a guy with a knife? neverforget Dec 2012 #133

Who is the "you" in your statement? Marengo Dec 2012 #142

That would be you neverforget Dec 2012 #143

Yes, a genius you aren't... Marengo Dec 2012 #156

Hmmmm lets see. A guy with a gun is shooting at you vs a guy with a knife. In order neverforget Dec 2012 #160

No, you are sorry you have assumed... Marengo Dec 2012 #170

I'm sorry to hear that and for your disability. neverforget Dec 2012 #174

Thank you... Marengo Dec 2012 #183

This makes an extremist Jonny Dec 2012 #55

Denying reality. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #71

Please do explain how asking the OP to clarify the term "extremist"... Marengo Dec 2012 #124

Any implication, regardless of how straightforward or how disingenuous LanternWaste Dec 2012 #37

Asking the OP to clarify a broad and subjective term is "disingenuous"? Marengo Dec 2012 #119

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #54

Second This Jonny Dec 2012 #56

Where have I stated there wasn't a problem? Marengo Dec 2012 #114

+10,000 smirkymonkey Dec 2012 #120

Where is there a "defense of guns" in my postings in this thread? Marengo Dec 2012 #121

I have never seen anyone, including the NRA, defend unlimited gun rights. ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #14

Give it a rest. No one is persuaded by the NRA talking points Politicub Dec 2012 #18

Who is "covering for murdered children"? Marengo Dec 2012 #21

Look in the mirror. Politicub Dec 2012 #22

Explain please... Marengo Dec 2012 #25

Explantion LondonReign2 Dec 2012 #75

Perhaps you can clarify what "NRA talking points" I have been "spewing" Marengo Dec 2012 #112

You are. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #72

How? Marengo Dec 2012 #116

How long have you had that avatar? Consider removing it. morningfog Dec 2012 #138

For longer than I can remember, and I'll continue to use it... Marengo Dec 2012 #140

I am pointing out dishonest rhetoric. ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #27

Humbly suggest you take a breath. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #46

I'm listening. Come up with a law that would actually make guns hard to acquire Recursion Dec 2012 #15

Tactic no. 18 in the NRA playbook - act like you're asking a question and then attack the answer. Politicub Dec 2012 #17

Nope. Recursion Dec 2012 #19

I don't know. I could guess, but I'm not a legislator. All I know is I would support Politicub Dec 2012 #23

I would, 100%, too. Even as a staunch 2nd Amendment person I would give up a LOT of ground on it... Recursion Dec 2012 #24

Smart people have come up with some good proposals to consider. Anything I say or Politicub Dec 2012 #28

Look, I'm listening Recursion Dec 2012 #31

Sorry I was an ass earlier. I just think of my nephews when I see this news Politicub Dec 2012 #36

could you suggest something anyway? snooper2 Dec 2012 #50

You want restrictions, bans, prohibitions, you propose. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #181

Assault weapons ban, high capacity magazine ban, ammunition taxes Politicub Dec 2012 #184

This message was self-deleted by its author Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #188

This message was self-deleted by its author Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #189

Dent in what? Crime rates or school massacres? Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #190

Yes. Will have a positive impact. Politicub Dec 2012 #191

Unworkable. The goal you propose is general prohibition. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #192

If that's what you believe. You're wrong, of course. Politicub Dec 2012 #193

Ban manufacture and importation of guns and ammunition nt Fresh_Start Dec 2012 #29

I don't think a supply-side answer would work Recursion Dec 2012 #30

Recursion, its a theoretical answer to your theoretical question Fresh_Start Dec 2012 #65

Again AlexSatan Dec 2012 #93

idiots can make drugs in their bathrooms Fresh_Start Dec 2012 #95

But yet most druggies do NOT AlexSatan Dec 2012 #99

How about mandatory psychological assessment before a gun purchase? Blaukraut Dec 2012 #35

There is one for handguns, or at least a mental health system check, though it should be more... Recursion Dec 2012 #38

But a mental health system check AlexSatan Dec 2012 #94

RF shielded tracking devices in all new guns. Harsh penalties if you try to break it. Politicub Dec 2012 #39

Shit, we failed that one sending guns into Mexico. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #47

That could work double duty. Jamastiene Dec 2012 #122

And the gun is manufactured to be unusable if the GPS JimDandy Dec 2012 #152

Second amendment extremists are all the same Politicub Dec 2012 #155

Um... I'm AGREEING with you. JimDandy Dec 2012 #161

Outlaw gunshows. Outlaw private sales. DevonRex Dec 2012 #40

Why pawn shops and gun shows? They have the same laws as anybody else Recursion Dec 2012 #41

Personal experience about where the most DevonRex Dec 2012 #43

Agree with all points. Politicub Dec 2012 #60

Just ban guns period, as they do in the UK, eventually the police will round up xtraxritical Dec 2012 #66

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You're a moron. n/t kurtzapril4 Dec 2012 #51

I own guns... PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #42

The NRAwill come forth with new ways to deal with the school violence tapermaker Dec 2012 #44

I find this kind of antagonistic post annoying and unproductive. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #49

sorry your offended .or annoyed tapermaker Dec 2012 #88

We need real solutions, not red herrings. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #172

Problem is... PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #151

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #48

I'm with you OP, I don't want to hear from them, PERIOD loyalkydem Dec 2012 #53

Amen to that. Raffi Ella Dec 2012 #57

+1 Politicub Dec 2012 #59

+ 2 red dog 1 Dec 2012 #97

I've yet to see a thread started today EvilAL Dec 2012 #89

Not really. Arugula Latte Dec 2012 #137

It's expected that you would be EvilAL Dec 2012 #146

Meh...party and people are usually off limits but issues? Pretty rare, folks hold clear right wing TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #157

I'm not a gun nut by any means adieu Dec 2012 #58

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #61

You don't even know the definition of fascism. This thread has nothing to Politicub Dec 2012 #63

GO. AWAY. n/t. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #64

You are speaking the truth Berserker Dec 2012 #73

Don't conflate "truth" with mere opinion for convenience sake LanternWaste Dec 2012 #74

Spot-on post: they DO have that blood on their hands, and they don't care. They want them apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #62

God bless the people who are sending the NRA supporters to hell mainstreetonce Dec 2012 #69

What's a 2nd amendment extremist? NeedleCast Dec 2012 #67

Apparently someone that follows what the Constitution says davidn3600 Dec 2012 #76

Scalia, is that you? Politicub Dec 2012 #80

No...just an average American that follows the constitution davidn3600 Dec 2012 #87

No, probably Scalia or Thomas thucythucy Dec 2012 #148

An extremist is... Politicub Dec 2012 #79

This is a non-answer NeedleCast Dec 2012 #92

My hands are shaking with emotion....grief, rage, fear, guit-wrenching sadness. Moostache Dec 2012 #68

+1 Politicub Dec 2012 #77

Your signature quote seems rather ironic underneath your post mythology Dec 2012 #117

Yes, they sure do. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #70

Outraged by their OUTRAGE TimKeller Dec 2012 #78

Great blog. Politicub Dec 2012 #81

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If you're not in favor of solutions and think everything is peachy keen Politicub Dec 2012 #84

Guns are NOT more important than PEOPLE. Care Acutely Dec 2012 #83

So what's the solution? Ter Dec 2012 #91

That's about a 2 on the helpful comments scale Bucky Dec 2012 #96

To the 20 year olds: you have blood on your hands AlexSatan Dec 2012 #98

The gun nuts aandegoons Dec 2012 #101

It seems that would be too cerebral... Marengo Dec 2012 #123

You and your kind are the best god damned thing that ever happened to the NRA and the gun industry. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #106

actually, it's the nut jobs who think of people who favor gun control as "your kind" ... the same bettyellen Dec 2012 #129

keep telling yourself that. See how far it gets you. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #134

Meh. They're used to it. nt eppur_se_muova Dec 2012 #107

I think the people who put together the Constitution . . . fadedrose Dec 2012 #132

I am 100% with you today. alarimer Dec 2012 #135

The right to kill should never trump the right to life kevinbgoode1 Dec 2012 #139

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what he said. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #153

It's so productive Budgies Revenge Dec 2012 #162

The OP wasn't calling for a discussion or a dialog. There is no need to do that. stevenleser Dec 2012 #163

With all due respect Budgies Revenge Dec 2012 #164

Nope, no need to discuss it. One side has a sane perspective, the other doesn't. stevenleser Dec 2012 #165

Well, I won't hazzard Budgies Revenge Dec 2012 #166

Look up the meaning of the word "democratic" please. Kei7777 Dec 2012 #168

Nothing in the meaning of 'democratic' requires one to consider insanity. If one side proposes stevenleser Dec 2012 #171

If you don't support sensible gun control, then you are a bottom dweller and I Politicub Dec 2012 #187

The NRA .. SummerSnow Dec 2012 #167

KnR...n/t Hepburn Dec 2012 #173

Anybody who gives one damn penny to the fucking NRA workinclasszero Dec 2012 #175

Unfortunately, there are millions more that support the NRA, but are free-riders. The whole bunch Hoyt Dec 2012 #176

"The whole bunch needs to be viewed as a threat to society..." workinclasszero Dec 2012 #180

Here here! Politicub Dec 2012 #186

I'm a gun owner and I am fucking sick of the gun nuts. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #179

My husband and I are, too Politicub Dec 2012 #185