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rasputin1952

(83,497 posts)
15. I find it highly unlikely that everyone in Gaza...
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 01:53 PM
Jan 2025

The West Bank and elsewhere that is being bombed is Hamas.

I find it difficult to believe that people were herded into tent cities, expecting to be treated humanely (at least to some degree) only to be bombed and strafed by aircraft that cannot possibly know who is, and who is not Hamas.

Don't get me wrong, I do not support any group that will routinely kill others, regardless of their "cause". Netanyahu is using Hamas as an excuse to kill people. There is certainly no way I can, with good conscience support Hamas (or any other group of miscreants and fanatics).

The destruction of Palestinians in Gaza is genocide. Children have no ties to any group, except family, but they may well become anti-Israeli, when that family is destroyed, by the whim of another. I'd be pissed off if this was happening to my family.

I've seen civilians killed in a war that was unjustified over fifty years ago. I have been anti-war ever since, and cannot fathom why some people would kill others, just to stay in power.

Sorry if you don't agree, but reality is often very ugly.

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10 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Urban renewal. usonian Jan 2025 #1
Always follow the money. The Son in law leftyladyfrommo Jan 2025 #4
One is obviously jealous of the richer one. usonian Jan 2025 #10
Both. political parties support and finance said malaise Jan 2025 #17
Well, Malaise, looks like we'll be pulling out of the global empire business pretty steadily PatrickforB Jan 2025 #39
Profound my friend malaise Jan 2025 #44
But only one party at least TRIED to keep Netanyahu on a leash Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #113
Our country is going to be a shit show. Gaza isn't near a top priority right now for us. I don't care who is offended. themaguffin Jan 2025 #2
A recent post predicted that warmonger Netanyahu would attack again... brush Jan 2025 #126
Biden is still in office DeepWinter Jan 2025 #3
You know who else has the power to stop this 100%? Johnny2X2X Jan 2025 #14
It's not genocide DeepWinter Jan 2025 #22
It's not war Rob H. Jan 2025 #36
Pure hyperbole DeepWinter Jan 2025 #55
If Israel with one if the most powerful endgenocide Jan 2025 #104
The staggering disproportionality of deaths puts paid to your denialism of an attempted slow grinding genocide by Bibi Celerity Jan 2025 #61
The staggering disproportionality of Hamas investment in protecting and mere shit giving about Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #69
Sorry, just because Hamas are terrorist bastards doesn't give the ultra RW Israel religio-fash loons a free hand to do Celerity Jan 2025 #75
You spoke of disproportionality. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #82
None of that refutes a single thing I posted, it just typical doubling-down and re-shooting the same failed angles. Celerity Jan 2025 #85
Yes it does. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #86
No. My 'topics' and stances throughout this thread are consistent, are very relevant, factually correct, and were made Celerity Jan 2025 #87
And how many of your stances that had to do with Hamas, being highly disproportionately terrorist bastards Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #89
You must have forgotten about Netanyahu's summer trip to MAL Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #114
It isn't genocide. Words have meanings. ZRB Jan 2025 #5
Yes, words DO have meanings . . . markpkessinger Jan 2025 #29
Did you stop reading at Article II? Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #74
with such a narrow definition requiring a trial by a competent tribunal Stargleamer Jan 2025 #106
There were competent tribunals held against the perpetrators of Armenian genocide. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #108
"competent" is debatable. . . Stargleamer Jan 2025 #110
I beg to differ. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #121
I suspect that those on DU who are charging the Israeli government with genocide. . . Stargleamer Jan 2025 #122
Charging Israeli government with genocide and favoring the government being tried are mutually exclusive sentiments. Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #124
Well, yes, no one on DU has the legal authority to haul the Israeli government off to the Hague Stargleamer Jan 2025 #125
That is what the Jews in Warsaw did. They were herded into the ghetto... rasputin1952 Jan 2025 #48
had the Jews in Warsaw ghetto NoRethugFriends Jan 2025 #80
They did have an uprising... rasputin1952 Jan 2025 #81
I believe you missed the word "previously". yagotme Jan 2025 #102
I can accept that... rasputin1952 Jan 2025 #105
You can call it cupcakes if you want Sundance1220 Jan 2025 #6
This ZRB Jan 2025 #9
I find it highly unlikely that everyone in Gaza... rasputin1952 Jan 2025 #15
Hamas is responsible for everything happening in Gaza Sundance1220 Jan 2025 #16
Nonsense! markpkessinger Jan 2025 #21
It is absolutely NOT Israel's fault Sundance1220 Jan 2025 #37
It's not "rules I approve of" -- it's international law! n/t markpkessinger Jan 2025 #52
Under the same "law" Sundance1220 Jan 2025 #57
Hamas is not a signatory to the Geneva Conventions -- Israel is . . . markpkessinger Jan 2025 #65
I am not an Israel hater... rasputin1952 Jan 2025 #45
Bibi and the RW religio fashies propped up Hamas for ages in their attempt to play divide et impera games Celerity Jan 2025 #76
Genocide definition- educate yourself Avalon Sparks Jan 2025 #18
Gee - let's see Sundance1220 Jan 2025 #41
I thought nothing less than 50% is a genocide? AloeVera Jan 2025 #92
Who said it had to be 50%? Sundance1220 Jan 2025 #93
You claimed attempted genocide is when more than 50% is killed... Violet_Crumble Jan 2025 #115
Genocide isn't about numbers, it's about intent Rob H. Jan 2025 #33
The INTENT was to destroy hamas Sundance1220 Jan 2025 #42
You actually think that's still their intent? Rob H. Jan 2025 #50
Hard not to kill women and children when Sundance1220 Jan 2025 #58
"It's NOT a genocide when the population continues to rise." Gaugamela Jan 2025 #46
This is one of the worst comments I've ever read on DU Johnny2X2X Jan 2025 #60
DON'T YOU DARE PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH Sundance1220 Jan 2025 #62
Disgusting Johnny2X2X Jan 2025 #63
... lapucelle Jan 2025 #78
Thank you. betsuni Jan 2025 #67
There are over 2 million people in Gaza Mz Pip Jan 2025 #73
Where did you get those numbers? No one knows the real numbers womanofthehills Jan 2025 #127
Where did you get those numbers? No one knows the real numbers womanofthehills Jan 2025 #128
So nothing less than 50% is a genocide? AloeVera Jan 2025 #91
The only one saying that is YOU Sundance1220 Jan 2025 #94
+100. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2025 #97
The Holocaust WAS a genocide, not an attempted one. AloeVera Jan 2025 #98
No, it wasn't a genocide Sundance1220 Jan 2025 #99
If the Holocaust wasn't a genocide, you have proven me correct. AloeVera Jan 2025 #100
It's YOU that is twisting reality Sundance1220 Jan 2025 #101
What a coincidence, me too. AloeVera Jan 2025 #103
An "attempted" genocide. . . Stargleamer Jan 2025 #120
Thank you for telling it like it is. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2025 #95
We have our own self-inflicted wounds to deal with. BlueTsunami2018 Jan 2025 #7
Possibly the sanest thing I've seen posted here today. Unladen Swallow Jan 2025 #64
+1 dalton99a Jan 2025 #117
Pretty sure no one on DU has cared about who gets offended since this started. BannonsLiver Jan 2025 #8
It's so obvious. Sky Jewels Jan 2025 #11
True. A lot of the DU juries I get on Diraven Jan 2025 #13
The IDF deserves every bit of the criticism it gets Rob H. Jan 2025 #47
The depths of Israeli entitlement, self-pity, and self regard are bottomless. Avalon Sparks Jan 2025 #49
Yes they do feel entitled ZRB Jan 2025 #111
Whatever Avalon Sparks Jan 2025 #118
Didn't know it was ok to tell other members to go fuck themselves ZRB Jan 2025 #119
It's fine, it goes the other way Amishman Jan 2025 #19
And Hitler could have built more gas chambers Avalon Sparks Jan 2025 #23
Godwin's law is alive and well I see Amishman Jan 2025 #24
Same Avalon Sparks Jan 2025 #20
Post removed Post removed Jan 2025 #12
Which genocide are we discussing? sarisataka Jan 2025 #25
Which ones we are supplying the weapons? Intractable Jan 2025 #32
Does genocide only matter sarisataka Jan 2025 #34
Let's start with the ones for which we directly supply the weapons. Intractable Jan 2025 #35
And thus my point is proven sarisataka Jan 2025 #38
Your point is irrelevant. I do not support the Saudis. Intractable Jan 2025 #40
Your tax dollars do sarisataka Jan 2025 #43
Lets start with the ones for which we directly supply the weapons. Intractable Jan 2025 #54
You took the exact opposite meaning of my words sarisataka Jan 2025 #56
"I believe we can try to negotiate an end to the fighting in Gaza while paying attention ..." Intractable Jan 2025 #59
We are dicussing Avalon Sparks Jan 2025 #51
Don't be too sure of that sarisataka Jan 2025 #53
Yes claudette Jan 2025 #26
Of course it's genocide!!! Beacool Jan 2025 #27
Yeah they sure showed Genocide Joe and Killer Kamala a thing or two Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2025 #28
Well the strategy of those Abandon Harris groups along with the protesters who refused to vote for Harris, etc. will JohnSJ Jan 2025 #30
Sure, but there are plenty of us who were NOT part of any "abandon Harris" group . . . markpkessinger Jan 2025 #66
The difference is you voted for VP Harris, not some third party candidate or not voting. JohnSJ Jan 2025 #68
No cause justifies the deaths of innocent people. Albert Camus Ping Tung Jan 2025 #31
Post removed Post removed Jan 2025 #70
I agree OP ThePartyThatListens Jan 2025 #71
I also don't give a fuck about who I offend, but I don't use it as an excuse to peddle Beastly Boy Jan 2025 #72
'Trump has given the nod' elleng Jan 2025 #77
Umm.. this has been going on for 15 months, many days even worse.. AloeVera Jan 2025 #79
I guess I need to add GENOCIDE to my hide words Skittles Jan 2025 #83
I had nothing to do with the geographic stillcool Jan 2025 #84
Mowing down anyone who gets in the way FullySupportDems Jan 2025 #88
The IDF was holding Palestinian prisoners without trial or hearing and could have released them for the hostages. C0RI0LANUS Jan 2025 #90
Those talking points don't track. Hamas is a terrorist organization that rules Gaza with an iron fist, lapucelle Jan 2025 #107
It's not genocide nor ethnic cleansing MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2025 #96
The number killed has zero to do with genocide, it is about intent EX500rider Jan 2025 #109
Donnie will fix it... Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #112
Just out of pure curiosity... Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #116
I agree. I don't have any issue with Jews in general, the same for Muslims. mucholderthandirt Jan 2025 #123
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