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mbperrin

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99. According to some accounts, she took him to the firing range quite regularly where they both
Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:22 PM
Dec 2012

practiced shooting. A neighbor said that she showed him her latest purchase - the rifle and was very proud of it.

So apparently she not only bought them but encouraged him to use them.

Mentally ill people.. [View all] rainlillie Dec 2012 OP
I think you have touched on the heart of the problem. kentuck Dec 2012 #1
The woman who bought the guns in this incident was not mentally ill. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #50
How do you know she was not mentally ill? marshall Dec 2012 #67
Exactly. There has been no indication she had mental illness. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #71
And thus none that she did not marshall Dec 2012 #80
Presumption of innocence. I presume you are sane, since there is no evidence you are not. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #120
Reports are now looking like the mother had her own inner demons marshall Dec 2012 #119
I'll look for those. So far I've read accounts of her by friends in the neighborhood... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #121
I worry about statements like "signs of mental illness" hfojvt Dec 2012 #91
Medication, therapy, counseling, etc. should be free and confidential for all ck4829 Dec 2012 #2
A good mental health care system is going to be extremely expensive Fumesucker Dec 2012 #3
Corporate Profits Come Easier When Based On Fear Than Compassion And Assistance cantbeserious Dec 2012 #5
And treatment requires trained professionals and expensive medications. beac Dec 2012 #43
Bingo! n/t Helen Reddy Dec 2012 #69
Everybody suffers with that one ck4829 Dec 2012 #6
Sadly, you are right. nt raccoon Dec 2012 #40
You're right. October Dec 2012 #77
Yes, yes, yes! nt snappyturtle Dec 2012 #4
Yes, indeed. KarenS Dec 2012 #7
I can't understand why Lanza's mother would keep all those guns in the house when valerief Dec 2012 #8
I'm going to take a wild leap here and speculate that she thought she had secured them adequately slackmaster Dec 2012 #11
Just what John2 Dec 2012 #18
There is no information here that indicates that she was going around armed, or that the vest... slackmaster Dec 2012 #19
Maybe you heard John2 Dec 2012 #45
I'm sorry John2, you seem confused. It's well established that the guns belonged to her. slackmaster Dec 2012 #51
And now we John2 Dec 2012 #72
I just heard that too. I've taught many people to shoot, but I know a few people who I would not... slackmaster Dec 2012 #74
Now you, John2 Dec 2012 #83
Thanks for the kind word John2. I regard myself as a "white hat" gun owner. slackmaster Dec 2012 #94
Seeing as how she was liberalmike27 Dec 2012 #75
Thank you. Very well said. My dad and granddad were both veterans as well, mbperrin Dec 2012 #100
He wasn't a child. llmart Dec 2012 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Dec 2012 #66
Excellent point. In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #12
So you John2 Dec 2012 #23
I think ~ she didn't think In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #28
Now you, John2 Dec 2012 #62
According to some accounts, she took him to the firing range quite regularly where they both mbperrin Dec 2012 #99
I don't understand why these people don't leave such weapons AT THE FIRING RANGE. valerief Dec 2012 #111
Because for too many, these guns are parts of their identity, their very bodies. mbperrin Dec 2012 #112
Why can't they just have a simple foot fetish instead of a gun fetish if they need a damn fetish? valerief Dec 2012 #113
Absolutely! mbperrin Dec 2012 #122
Cut out medicaid or medicare and see what happens. kitt6 Dec 2012 #9
Imho, this issue has three legs Sienna86 Dec 2012 #10
This country has regressed when it comes to mental health. juajen Dec 2012 #13
It's almost like a third rail issue. no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #14
Another good point you bring up Sienna86 Dec 2012 #15
That exactly was the case in my example. no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #17
What would social services do for him? Temp housing in a shelter? bettyellen Dec 2012 #49
Ideally lifelong commitment to a facility like when a criminal is adjudicated no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #59
I don't think they commit anyone "life long" until after a heinous criminal act- the usual is to bettyellen Dec 2012 #81
And that's the problem. no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #82
parents have no options except to kick them out. it's sick. bettyellen Dec 2012 #84
From what I have heard - the mother owned the guns. Apparently they were easilly accessible. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #16
Yep! Mentally Ill people and guns — not a good mix brush Dec 2012 #20
agree with your viewpoints northoftheborder Dec 2012 #78
how about everybody gets to have the guns that were current at the time of the 2nd amendment renate Dec 2012 #115
..and can only express themselves using 18th C. technology. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #116
Agreed brush Dec 2012 #117
I have had it with this mass bigotry in defense of your precious guns BainsBane Dec 2012 #21
I think an act of mass murder is ipso facto proof that a person has some form of mental illness slackmaster Dec 2012 #22
Let's not talk symptoms cause you won't like where that goes. Pholus Dec 2012 #27
Or maybe an indication of a strenthening economy slackmaster Dec 2012 #33
Oh yes, that was the reason.... Pholus Dec 2012 #87
I don't dispute that there are some paranoid people who buy guns for weird reasons out there slackmaster Dec 2012 #95
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #104
I think you John2 Dec 2012 #31
Thank you for that fine example of authentic frontier gibberish slackmaster Dec 2012 #34
He was a violent murderer BainsBane Dec 2012 #38
Now you are suggesting that the killer's mother, a victim, was mentally ill because she owned guns slackmaster Dec 2012 #42
good god BainsBane Dec 2012 #53
I would have wanted you... Helen Reddy Dec 2012 #76
Thanks! nt BainsBane Dec 2012 #106
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #32
Your hero Reagan closed down the loony bins BainsBane Dec 2012 #47
Thank you, well said! n/t Helen Reddy Dec 2012 #73
Thank you. Jamastiene Dec 2012 #85
Stop Teaching Gun Violence! Maineman Dec 2012 #24
Unfortunately for your thesis jeff47 Dec 2012 #107
Lack of access to good mental health care susanr516 Dec 2012 #25
Great... 99Forever Dec 2012 #26
My solution is very simple. I keep all firearms securely locked up in a big, sturdy safe. slackmaster Dec 2012 #29
Wonderful. 99Forever Dec 2012 #36
I would support a federal law mandating safe storage slackmaster Dec 2012 #37
It isn't you or your methods that worry me. 99Forever Dec 2012 #52
Good luck getting the legislatures of 38 states to buy in on that one slackmaster Dec 2012 #55
So we just let the murdering scum win? 99Forever Dec 2012 #58
I presented a rational, sane, realistic, workable idea here, and you've attempted to trash it slackmaster Dec 2012 #60
No, you didn't. 99Forever Dec 2012 #68
So, you don't think a madatory safe storage law is a good idea? slackmaster Dec 2012 #70
Don't put words in my mouth... 99Forever Dec 2012 #79
I'm trying to determine why you denied that I presented a constructive idea slackmaster Dec 2012 #97
Mandatory safe storage is a good idea, but how many can afford an expensive safe? kwassa Dec 2012 #101
That's why I think there should be some kind of tax incentive for people who buy robust safes slackmaster Dec 2012 #102
Guns are already denied based on income jeff47 Dec 2012 #108
I guess I'll never get that shoulder-fired rocket, then. kwassa Dec 2012 #109
No, that's banned by several laws. jeff47 Dec 2012 #118
it's begining to look SemperEadem Dec 2012 #30
Yes, I do agree` silhouete2 Dec 2012 #35
I would probably be defined as 'mentally ill.' Are_grits_groceries Dec 2012 #39
You have made a good decision. I know several people with depression who have done the same. slackmaster Dec 2012 #44
The problem is diagnosing the illness. Most mentally ill persons show no outward signs. My brother jwirr Dec 2012 #41
I think indications are that the murderer in this case was in fact diagnosed with a personality... slackmaster Dec 2012 #46
And his mother still bought the guns for him? I wonder what her diagnosis was? jwirr Dec 2012 #48
Circular reasoning, and not very good slackmaster Dec 2012 #54
I heard that they were all registered in her name - The Ed Show. jwirr Dec 2012 #61
Yes, they were registered in her name because they belonged to her slackmaster Dec 2012 #63
the problem is getting treatment before violence happens. bettyellen Dec 2012 #56
That's a very big problem, and people generally have a right to refuse treatment slackmaster Dec 2012 #57
yes. and treatment is inadequate at best. bettyellen Dec 2012 #88
This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Dec 2012 #96
as have I. when you see such ignorance about it here, it gets easier to understand bettyellen Dec 2012 #98
Are you saying you advocate forcing mentally ill people to carry special ID cards Jamastiene Dec 2012 #93
I did not say that and I would not. I was pointing out that there is not way to identify anyone jwirr Dec 2012 #105
Some insurance, if not all of them mecherosegarden Dec 2012 #64
Reagan threw them all out of the institutions onto the street. Insurance won't pay, or I Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #86
I take it you think all mentally ill people are violent and all mass shooters Jamastiene Dec 2012 #89
You can take it that way, but you'd be wrong! rainlillie Dec 2012 #114
some years ago (the 70's) we went with community options dembotoz Dec 2012 #90
Unfortunately, the AMA is raising all copays/coinsurance on the most fragile cbdo2007 Dec 2012 #92
Fuck that. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #103
mentally ill covers a large spectrum. someone with anxiety disorder or ADHD probably not shooting up dionysus Dec 2012 #110
The people in GD who are making these absolutist, draconian, ignorant decistions for all Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #123
Yes, this sort of thing can be obtained legally: Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #124
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