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Eleanors38

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34. 1 and 2 are state matters, aslong as they stay within.

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:32 PM

Dec 2012

within the Constitution. With 3, what do you propose? With 4, please define (millions of folks have slow-shooting, mainly obsolete weapons). With 5, how will registration stop a murder/suicide? And 6 is impractical and unlikely to work at all.

Overall, I can't see how this plan will work. There is a way to get everyone on the NICS system: Open it to general access. States can then set BG standards and require the test for transfer.

I am struck by hiw so little of your proposal directly addresses the school shooting. If that is your concern, why not pass legislation and funding which states can draw on for providing trained and armed security (2 or more per school) to improve safety. States can opt out, and develop plans to train and arm school staff, or choose to maintain their "gun free" zones. Would you support this direct approach to school shootings?

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Six gun regulation ideas [View all] SHRED Dec 2012 OP

Make the ammo prohibitively expensive and limit it. Happyhippychick Dec 2012 #1

"I'm a black-marketeer, and I approve of this message." Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #11

Weak. godai Dec 2012 #26

Yes, that's precisely what I think. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #33

Generally agree but easier to grow pot than supply gunpowder. godai Dec 2012 #40

True, but plenty is made overseas. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #71

black market DustyJoe Dec 2012 #66

Many shooters make their own ammo. ... spin Dec 2012 #13

The point is make that illegal or harder to do. godai Dec 2012 #27

Many drugs are illegal and we have a War on Drugs ... spin Dec 2012 #62

All Those Measures Will Really Cause Insurrection With The State Of Mind Of Gun Owners As It Is. TheMastersNemesis Dec 2012 #2

And insurrection is illegal. I care nothing about their fragile feeble minds. morningfog Dec 2012 #3

There are 80 million gun owners in our nation. ... spin Dec 2012 #16

Find them and weed them out. n/t godai Dec 2012 #28

Would you be willing to help in endeavor? If so, Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #38

Military with much more firepower than them. godai Dec 2012 #41

You really do see millions of fellow Americans as the enemy, Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #50

Just the ones described in the post. godai Dec 2012 #51

I think violence rules your soul more than any gun-owner in these threads. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #55

Gotta say, kind of a strange post. Buh bye. godai Dec 2012 #61

Like Waco? Lurker Deluxe Dec 2012 #58

"A few shootouts..." I can't believe my fucking eyes today I swear to God. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #67

At what cost? spin Dec 2012 #57

"Fanning flames" and violence is what he/she wants, I think. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #73

This is fear based hyperbole. Most of the 80 million are reaasonable morningfog Dec 2012 #37

Ok lets assume that 1/2 of 1% of the gun owners decided to launch an insurrection. ... spin Dec 2012 #60

ThiS is fanasty bs. morningfog Dec 2012 #65

"Yep" very easy just like we did in Iraq former-republican Dec 2012 #69

An unorganized force can be extremely dangerous. ... spin Dec 2012 #70

What is your proposal to confiscate? Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #74

I never suggested to. morningfog Dec 2012 #75

it's how you bargain though SHRED Dec 2012 #4

Precisely. Start with "no more fucking guns for you, ever." Robb Dec 2012 #31

Agree. And ban almost all public carrying, shooting of targets that resemble people, etc. Hoyt Dec 2012 #5

and what about TV and movies? SHRED Dec 2012 #6

I agree. We really are screwed up in many, many ways. Hoyt Dec 2012 #7

I doubt that yesterdays shooter had a carry permit. ... spin Dec 2012 #17

Spin, to keep you in guns, we allow f&@kers like him. His mom and dad brought him up in gun culture. Hoyt Dec 2012 #18

Apparently he also had mental issues. spin Dec 2012 #30

Many people into guns do. Hoyt Dec 2012 #32

Don't forget video games that involve shooting things. Mel Content Dec 2012 #8

IMO, it's about what players are thinking and feeling BadgerKid Dec 2012 #12

Now that is bullshit. white_wolf Dec 2012 #53

No really they don't. Perhaps they make for better drone pilots. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #63

Good ideas. Even offer cash payments for turning in guns. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #9

If we won't ban all types of assault weapons, why isn't there any mandatory gun insurance? nc4bo Dec 2012 #10

I support a "national conversation." Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #39

I tend to go back to a point made in Bowling For Columbine DefenseLawyer Dec 2012 #14

The United States has 88.8 guns per 100 residents and Canada has 30.8 ... spin Dec 2012 #21

"There are significant cultural differences" DefenseLawyer Dec 2012 #78

I think we agree on this issue. ... spin Dec 2012 #80

If you mean full auto and burst fire for number 4 , I'm on board with that former-republican Dec 2012 #15

7. Possessing an illegal firearm is a federal felony with a mandatory minimum sentence of 10 years. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #19

I would go a step further ,"using one in a crime" ANY crime , armed robbery for example former-republican Dec 2012 #23

with two extra words thrown in RomneyLies Dec 2012 #25

I agree with everything except #4. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #20

I have a military weapon ... spin Dec 2012 #22

You must want to be a criminal former-republican Dec 2012 #24

Let me assure you that this Mauser is an extremely accurate and deadly weapon. ... spin Dec 2012 #64

Why would someone "collect" a type of gun that perhaps killed millions of people? Hoyt Dec 2012 #35

Add...$100 fee per year on each gun...declared on tax return. godai Dec 2012 #29

Courts will view this as a punitive tax to curtail 2A rights. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #42

We'll never know if we don't try. n/t godai Dec 2012 #44

No one is stopping you. Seems like a waste of effort Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #46

I don't support anything that involves more guns in schools. godai Dec 2012 #48

1 and 2 are state matters, aslong as they stay within. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #34

Easier- when you sell your next gun, use FFL for background check. Actually be a "responsible" gun Hoyt Dec 2012 #36

The Interstate Commerce Clause would prevent Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #43

I support you using an FFL so proper paper work is maintained. Hoyt Dec 2012 #52

I cannot legally use NICS, and the system is designed for purchases. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #47

You can go to an FFL to transfer guns, if you truly are a responsible gun owner. Hoyt Dec 2012 #56

Hoyt. An indy buyer cannot use NICS. THAT is the law. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #72

Make transfer through FFL. Simple. Why the resistance. Hoyt Dec 2012 #79

Google: Who can use the NICS test... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #81

More armed security? Really? godai Dec 2012 #45

No problem with more hard points, but the murderer Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #49

Yes, I'd deny anything involving more guns. godai Dec 2012 #54

#4 full auto guns are already pretty much illgeal SpartanDem Dec 2012 #59

No chance that any of that passes, so not relevant NT BrentWil Dec 2012 #68

#4 has been on the books for 80 years Recursion Dec 2012 #76

Probably would need a buy-back on #6, but I like them. CanonRay Dec 2012 #77