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ThatPoetGuy

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23. This is right-wing propaganda and has no place in a discussion among adults.

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:11 PM

Dec 2012

If a crib causes baby deaths, do you argue banning it "strips people of their freedoms"? How about medicines that are only available by prescription?

Are Japan and Australia lands of the oppressed and unfree?

No: freedom isn't gun ownership.

I'm so tired of this Orwellian bullshit.

Every day, Americans sacrifice their freedoms so that fetishists can own their guns.

Guns make us LESS FREE, especially the poor and people of color.

You are advocating for oppression and racism when you lie and pretend that guns make people free.

And yes, there is blood on your hands for yesterday's events. YOU should be held responsible, for trying to spread the moronic ideas that allow these things to happen again and again.

If each and every person like you were to keel over dead of a heart attack, the world would be a drastically improved place.

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A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths [View all] Whovian Dec 2012 OP

And it's not just Japan. DanTex Dec 2012 #1

You're assuming the US is a wealthy democracy... NRA_SUCKS Dec 2012 #68

Welcome to DU! ellisonz Dec 2012 #69

Man, all we have to do is strip people of their freedoms, and they will be super safe! Indydem Dec 2012 #2

Yeah, like Australia, Sweden, the UK, etc are gulags MightyMopar Dec 2012 #3

Yes, thanks to your definition of our "freedoms".... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #6

And my belief in freedom: Indydem Dec 2012 #10

"Do not represent a statistical probability"??? What does that mean? DanTex Dec 2012 #25

And 19,000 of those are suicides. Indydem Dec 2012 #32

Keep the NRA talking points coming. DanTex Dec 2012 #38

THey are an NRA member, they have no credibility and should not be engaged with. morningfog Dec 2012 #43

How many of us city slickers need guns to protect their herds or to eliminate nuisance animals? RC Dec 2012 #41

"...nuisiance animals like skunks and racoons..." thucythucy Dec 2012 #77

Thank you for your support of gun control intaglio Dec 2012 #27

tell it to the parents of the dead children. i dare you. spanone Dec 2012 #33

Bad things happen. Planes crash. Cars wreck. People get sick. People get shot. Indydem Dec 2012 #37

A gun psycho with your kind of mentality... 99Forever Dec 2012 #42

Oh how completely wrong and hateful you are Indydem Dec 2012 #55

Bye bye gun nut. 99Forever Dec 2012 #61

Great response: "Shit happens". I agree with COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #51

was Friday's shooting an accident? CreekDog Dec 2012 #46

How many of those... catnhatnh Dec 2012 #70

We have armed guards protecting our money in armored cars, why not our children? rDigital Dec 2012 #11

The community of gun owners have proven they are incapable of keeping their weapons secure. baldguy Dec 2012 #13

I'm part of the problem??? Indydem Dec 2012 #16

Your support of laws allow the mass murders of innocent chidren to be commonplace. baldguy Dec 2012 #21

You ARE the problem, not part of it. ThatPoetGuy Dec 2012 #24

Yes, you are part of the problem. DanTex Dec 2012 #28

Yep - You Are Part Of The Problem cantbeserious Dec 2012 #31

Yes, you are the problem. morningfog Dec 2012 #45

you lied about what's proposed CreekDog Dec 2012 #48

Where did I lie??? N/t Indydem Dec 2012 #56

Looks like you've developed an accidental fan club derby378 Dec 2012 #54

Based on your posts the last several days, the answer to your question has to be "yes". madinmaryland Dec 2012 #76

Guns have very little to do with freedom. DanTex Dec 2012 #22

This is right-wing propaganda and has no place in a discussion among adults. ThatPoetGuy Dec 2012 #23

You say "strip people of their freedoms" I hear--I won't let them take retread Dec 2012 #36

You want your guns nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #60

In many counties across the USA, Heywood J Dec 2012 #71

The Japanese turn their violence inward. Their suicide rates are unbelievable. rDigital Dec 2012 #4

You beat me to it. Culture plays a part, e.g. Black and White have same access to guns but have jody Dec 2012 #7

Thanks for your racist views. Chance of going economics Whovian Dec 2012 #52

What a crock calling DoJ stats "racist views". Obama & Holder better clean up their act quickly. nt jody Dec 2012 #62

Being an island chain helps (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #5

It's also a racially homogenous island with an authoritarian .gov. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #8

Not completely because Japan has Koreans who are routinely discriminated against. nt jody Dec 2012 #9

Ethnically not homogenous. Korea's suicide rate is an astounding 31.2 per 100k. rDigital Dec 2012 #14

Agree cultures are so different that it's difficult for outsiders to understand. nt jody Dec 2012 #17

While your and Jody have a circle jerk celibrating the fact that two Eastern countries Whovian Dec 2012 #53

I was just showing that your OP is misleading at best. Mental health is the real issue. rDigital Dec 2012 #63

Japan is a Constitutional Monarchy with a democratically-elected Parliament. baldguy Dec 2012 #18

No, did you? Forced confessions are the rule in Japan. Any .gov type can be Authoritarian. rDigital Dec 2012 #26

You do realize that the int'l human rights orgs critical of Japan baldguy Dec 2012 #44

More insults and innuendo. Cool, we're done here. You can't just be civil. rDigital Dec 2012 #47

Exposing the source of your talking points is being uncivil? baldguy Dec 2012 #50

I love it. When you can't refute facts, you call them talking points. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #64

OK. Heywood J Dec 2012 #72

Tell it to Obama. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #75

You demanded content. Heywood J Dec 2012 #80

East Asian CULTURE is very collectivist and authoritarian. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #34

Collectivist, yes? Authoritarian no. white_wolf Dec 2012 #58

I've read that Japanese police visit every household annually and know who is in their precinct. FarCenter Dec 2012 #12

I think you meant to say its a more Authoritarian Society. rDigital Dec 2012 #15

It all goes back to rice farming FarCenter Dec 2012 #19

Excellent point. Our Constitution obligates government to protect certain rights against the tyranny jody Dec 2012 #20

You apparently are not familiar with US police practices. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #30

Bring some content next time. You have nothing. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #40

OK. Heywood J Dec 2012 #73

These are isolated an anecdotal, not institutionalized and normal like in Japan. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #74

Like your equally anecdotal "because I say it is"? (NT) Heywood J Dec 2012 #79

I provided articles. Also, google is your friend. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #81

Japan is a homogenous and deeply authoritarian society. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #29

How about Canada, UK, France, Germany, Australia, etc.? DanTex Dec 2012 #39

+1000 but that's outside the NRA's talking points. Whovian Dec 2012 #59

"Deeply authoritarian" from a Western perspective toddaa Dec 2012 #78

You would not want their justice system hack89 Dec 2012 #35

There's a fundamental problem, however. liberalhistorian Dec 2012 #49

The Yakuza point is interesting. white_wolf Dec 2012 #57

I think this uncontextualized kind of factoid doesn't promote understanding. Yakuza are kind of HiPointDem Dec 2012 #66

Thank you for the link. white_wolf Dec 2012 #82

this is the kind of uncontextualized article that creates a misleading impression. it's true HiPointDem Dec 2012 #65

I get all that Flatpicker Dec 2012 #67

Handguns are forbidden absolutely, except for handguns in the hands of Japanese police officers slackmaster Dec 2012 #83