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nadinbrzezinski

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22. Actually I do, because it is nowhere close

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 07:48 PM

Dec 2012

To where the OP posted.

They meant universal conscription into the local militia...that was the social contract. Why the clauses are in the order they are. They envisioned universal conscription of those who owned a state of the art infantry weapon.

These people want the right, the last clause, without the responsibility.

I at times hate to know that history, but now we must rescue those words from the fanatics and speak truly of what they meant. Gets worst, there was no police back then. Guess who was the constabulary for the county? That local militia...so by that logic, looking things in context, either join the guard, or the police department.

Further, by that logic civilians should be licensed with good background checks.

So yes, you should care about what they actually meant.

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Did the Founding Fathers envision the Bushmaster? Almost... [View all] derby378 Dec 2012 OP

They also envisioned service in the militia nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #1

The Swiss system has plusses and minuses derby378 Dec 2012 #7

It's not about how it works nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #20

actually Switzerland has the highest gun death rate in its region CreekDog Dec 2012 #32

Oh, well fuck it then. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #2

I take dibs on...a suitcase nuke nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #3

Well, clearly, we must confiscate these evil Girandoni's!!! Then all will be good. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #4

you're being ridiculous CreekDog Dec 2012 #33

"Allow me to robotically repeat this NRA talking point I've just been paper-trained with!" villager Dec 2012 #5

Pathological cases weren't what the Founding Fathers were envisioning bongbong Dec 2012 #6

Who are these "Delicate Flowers" you speak of? derby378 Dec 2012 #10

Not cute bongbong Dec 2012 #17

"Pathological cases" like.. the entire NRA!? villager Dec 2012 #24

Word usage bongbong Dec 2012 #25

Yah, I'm one of those people who doesn't care what the Founding Fathers thought AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #8

Well, I can at least admire your straightforward approach... derby378 Dec 2012 #11

We'll just see about that AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #19

Actually I do, because it is nowhere close nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #22

Psst, derby's also a state democratic organizer. You really put your foot in it up to your knee. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #27

I don't care if he's the Pope of Greenwich Village AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #28

I just got tickled at you calling him a republican. *snort* X_Digger Dec 2012 #38

Well he's obviously doing a crappy job in Texas AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #40

Have you checked the numbers? Texas is turning purple.. X_Digger Dec 2012 #41

By the way AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #29

It takes real skill to put foot in mouth while head up ass. hobbit709 Dec 2012 #42

How about that. frank380 Dec 2012 #9

Welcome to DU! derby378 Dec 2012 #12

I really don't care what they envisioned. But I highly doubt, if they saw the kind of easy carnage.. phleshdef Dec 2012 #13

They envisioned slavery too BainsBane Dec 2012 #14

Ya know what? WTH cares? THIS IS NOW, HERE. (P.S. I can vote now, too.) WinkyDink Dec 2012 #15

And? What is your point? cali Dec 2012 #16

That's a frankly absurd assertion Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #18

Post this sucker AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #21

well said! liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #31

OK I'll allow the Girandoni assault rifles with the reservoir. Bonhomme Richard Dec 2012 #23

Who gives a fuck? Tell me your feelings about 20 kids murdered yesterday because some people upaloopa Dec 2012 #26

Since the second half of that request has nothing to do with the first half... derby378 Dec 2012 #34

No because I don't beleive you. You're a wise ass just like the rest of the gunner posters here. upaloopa Dec 2012 #37

Keep telling yourself that... derby378 Dec 2012 #39

With the rest of us being armed to the teeth nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #44

"They're all alike..." Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #43

weapons like these were created for fighting in wars liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #30

Actually the state of the art infantry riffle nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #35

Because the Founders were right about everything & expected their descendants to be mindless zombies. baldguy Dec 2012 #36

why is what these founding fathers thought have any relevance? TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #45

We can put you down for requiring firearms to be held vertically to reload, then? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #46