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118. Not entirely true in history. In the early days of the Italian Renaissance the guilds

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Dec 2012

sponsored a LOT of the best art and architecture. The workers gladly participated in their guilds funding of some of the most wonderful projects ever done there. It was major part of their idea of a Republic. The same held in Siena. Both centers of major art in the 15the century were avidly supported by the workers.

Plenty of people who were/are not rich in our country are art lovers, hence free admission to places like the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Old man Morgan was a rich industrialist and a bastard when it came to his workers, but he aimed to democratize interest in the art, hence his efforts over changing our import duty laws to allow people like himself to buy and bring over art from Europe to put in his museum.

Interestingly, your examples, particularly ashcan school, of art arose from middle and lower class concerned artists. See George Bellows and his works circa 1900 of NYC tenements...

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You can blame gun owners or blame the mentally ill... [View all] dkf Dec 2012 OP

Why am I not fucking surprised by this post at all? Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #1

Indeed. This person takes the RW side of arguments kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #56

In all fairness I think I saw her/him support single-payer at one point. white_wolf Dec 2012 #75

That was probably deliberate prevarication. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #96

For the reason I am nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #58

because they are coming out of the fucking woodwork Skittles Dec 2012 #79

Another right-wing talking point = another dkf post. RetroLounge Dec 2012 #107

Well, it's just part of living, eh? No sense in trying to change it. morningfog Dec 2012 #2

CT has strict gun laws. What more do you want? dkf Dec 2012 #7

They aren't that strict here sharp_stick Dec 2012 #10

Ahh, so by strict, you mean prohibit? cleanhippie Dec 2012 #20

That is a very long term goal. morningfog Dec 2012 #32

Do you realize that when you denigrate legal gun owners as "gun nuts"... cleanhippie Dec 2012 #36

No, you are trying to confuse the point by suggesting morningfog Dec 2012 #53

Then only the Wealthy and Blackwater Security will have guns FreakinDJ Dec 2012 #84

The FF were then, this is now. CTyankee Dec 2012 #101

An interesting point. rrneck Dec 2012 #111

Largely regulated guns and planes and bombs and tanks. CTyankee Dec 2012 #112

Guns have tremendous symbolic value in this country. rrneck Dec 2012 #114

We didn't steal art "over there." Other empires did. Certainly Napoleon and of course CTyankee Dec 2012 #115

You missed the point. rrneck Dec 2012 #116

Not entirely true in history. In the early days of the Italian Renaissance the guilds CTyankee Dec 2012 #118

This is not the Renaissance. rrneck Dec 2012 #119

hey, I'm not the one who is constantly talking about gun culture here. You have me CTyankee Dec 2012 #120

We all have more in common than we think. rrneck Dec 2012 #121

I did care. So I looked at your examples. CTyankee Dec 2012 #122

Hell, I'd settle for sharp_stick Dec 2012 #123

I heard that guns were purchased in another state. Lint Head Dec 2012 #11

Stricter motha fucka laws!!!!! morningfog Dec 2012 #14

They aren't strict enough by half. How about this: kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #59

You support the death penalty? How progressive of you... nt rDigital Dec 2012 #61

For negligent gun nuts whose guns are used to kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #66

The death penalty is never progressive. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #72

Label it as you wish. I, a dedicated liberal, support its very limited use. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #97

Then you're neither. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #98

First of all, the DP is nothing more than state sanctioned murder. white_wolf Dec 2012 #77

It proves the need for something stronger as the rules still got those weapons into the hands of the JCMach1 Dec 2012 #76

Ha ha ha. bettyellen Dec 2012 #3

Yeah, you can nt Progressive dog Dec 2012 #4

GFYS RandiFan1290 Dec 2012 #5

When you can't think of a smart response to a logical argument... Freddie Stubbs Dec 2012 #43

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #86

Using insults and foul language is the type of behavior one would expect from Tea Party types Freddie Stubbs Dec 2012 #88

Speaking of things that should be locked up WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #6

Just being real. dkf Dec 2012 #9

You should be real more often. I would like to see more transparency from you. morningfog Dec 2012 #16

Aw, c'mon, we all know THAT'S never gonna happen. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #60

How about we start with the people who enabled our invasion of Iraq Cetacea Dec 2012 #15

Aren't they the same? El Supremo Dec 2012 #8

I don't want guns around me either but I also know I'm not getting others to give theirs up dkf Dec 2012 #12

No more mentally deficient than cleanhippie Dec 2012 #24

Thank you very much! El Supremo Dec 2012 #39

Well played! The "I know you are but what am I" defense. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #90

Remember when the majority of adults smoked? I do. MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #13

Interesting point. (nt) enough Dec 2012 #22

Well yeah, and smoking was a Constituional Right too!!! cleanhippie Dec 2012 #30

so are you a member of a well-regulated militia? Or just an average gun worshipper MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #40

Hahahahahaha! WHERE do you come up with this stuff? cleanhippie Dec 2012 #89

Ownership equals worship in your view? Marengo Dec 2012 #93

Well go ahead and convince people to give up their guns. dkf Dec 2012 #37

Where did I mention outlawing guns? MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #42

I'm fine with a campaign that asks people with guns to give them up. dkf Dec 2012 #47

Where's that damned unrec? backscatter712 Dec 2012 #17

What if we get to the bottom that: BOTH ARE PROBLEMS! n/t KoKo Dec 2012 #18

Bullshit! Glitterati Dec 2012 #19

Thank you. n/t Cetacea Dec 2012 #23

Yeah, sure. That gun did all that by itself. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #31

You got that right. It was the gun, that just happened to be held by a lunatic. nt madinmaryland Dec 2012 #44

That weapon allowed that lunatic to kill 26 people. neverforget Dec 2012 #50

Here's a photo of the shooter. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #82

You're gonna see a lot of people around here claiming 'the mentally ill' did, though. Posteritatis Dec 2012 #38

I am sick of this all being blamed on mental illness. smirkymonkey Dec 2012 #83

So you make no distinction... TXDemoGal Dec 2012 #21

So everyone here thinks its okay to have guns that kill a few people dkf Dec 2012 #41

You are not believable.. Rex Dec 2012 #105

It's a little too soon to be making jokes. renie408 Dec 2012 #25

the fact is: Algebra Palin Dec 2012 #26

Best. Username. Ever. smokey nj Dec 2012 #34

The fact is: cleanhippie Dec 2012 #35

As evidenced by our steadily falling murder rates ... oh wait. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #102

Research shows that strict gun contol laws save lives. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #27

Since we can't control guns, then I say we confiscate them and melt them and make ownership . . . . Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #28

Good luck with that. nt rDigital Dec 2012 #63

But getting rid of the NRA is doable. Promoting tools for killing should be controlled. Lint Head Dec 2012 #29

you call being held hostage by the gun lobby a "free" society? marions ghost Dec 2012 #33

You're wrong. bluestate10 Dec 2012 #45

How would any of those change what happened today? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #48

If gun owners knew that failure to lock their guns away kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #65

I agree with the requirements to lock things up ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #67

I liken it to giving the DP to accessories to murder. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #100

Which is not done in any state that I know of, even Texas ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #103

I believe there is also a harsh penalty for committing cold blooded murder Budgies Revenge Dec 2012 #78

Nope, but keeping guns out of their hands could save lives. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #99

What law would have taken the gun from the mother? dkf Dec 2012 #49

No. rDigital Dec 2012 #64

We need to take health care far more seriously than we do. Gregorian Dec 2012 #46

I agree that is the one thing we keep re-learning. dkf Dec 2012 #51

Do you then want all medical records considered public record? forthemiddle Dec 2012 #85

Did you know that Germany recently passed laws making it a crime to spank children? Gregorian Dec 2012 #92

Your post is the problem. A post that shows that owning guns is more important than the life of Mass Dec 2012 #52

Exactly RetroLounge Dec 2012 #108

how about blaming income inequality? NoMoreWarNow Dec 2012 #54

Funny, other free societies don't seem to have this same problem. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #55

Tell me, why is there a DIRECT CORRELATION nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #57

Wait - did you SERIOUSLY just compare the MURDER of nearly 30 kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #62

Yeah, its all the fault of people who take antidepressants BainsBane Dec 2012 #68

Paying taxes = mass murder The Midway Rebel Dec 2012 #69

Yeah, what's a little human sacrifice, of CHILDREN, DevonRex Dec 2012 #70

You can blame guns, but I would never actually expect Rex Dec 2012 #71

mass murder is not the price of living in a free society Fresh_Start Dec 2012 #73

We have paid too high of a price for your so-called "free society" Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #74

I think we should require gun owners who are neither in the military, the police or the national JDPriestly Dec 2012 #80

So, in your opinion Budgies Revenge Dec 2012 #81

The "just bury the kids and move on" argument is lame quaker bill Dec 2012 #87

Or you can make asinine statements like Skidmore Dec 2012 #91

we can't stop people from being mentally ill, but we sure as hell can stop guns La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #94

+1. Gun crisis must be tackled first Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #95

Start with violence and the gun problem will mostly go away ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #104

such a fucking optimistic view of the world......and such utter fucking bullshit spanone Dec 2012 #106

MASS MURDER "is the price we pay for living in a free society." RetroLounge Dec 2012 #109

Other countries live in a free society Terra Alta Dec 2012 #110

Why is the cost so much lower in other "free" societies? Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #113

Yeah, let's just throw up our hands and give up Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #117