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Eleanors38

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190. Dent in what? Crime rates or school massacres?

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:33 PM

Dec 2012

1. Rifles account for -3% of all homicides, and AWs are just one example of rifle within that group. There are several auto-loading rifles which have been in use before the Pentagon let a conteact for "assault rifles" (full auto). These rifles don't look like your "assault weapons. I have one. 106 yrs old. It would "look" like an air gun to you.

I don't much care about mag capacity, and neither do mass murderers: they punks just carry several "standard" mags, meaningless.

A tax, so clearly announced as prohibitive and punitive, will be shit-canned by the courts as unconstitutional -- think Texas poll tax.

What are you driving at? Is it school shootings? I've proposed a DIRECT approach to this with a grant for schools which want to hire armed & trained personnel/LEO (2+/school), if schools want to. I want to. Do you?

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To the 2nd amendment extremists - you have the blood of children on your hands [View all] Politicub Dec 2012 OP

We say this after every shooting - but hopefully now "Enough is Enough" cbdo2007 Dec 2012 #1

This shooting is different and will tug at the heartstring of parents and those Politicub Dec 2012 #4

I thought that about Columbine dsc Dec 2012 #11

Columbine was teenager on teenager violence, this... Hayabusa Dec 2012 #13

True. PM Martin Dec 2012 #2

Those NRA members who are responsible gun owners... sanatanadharma Dec 2012 #3

And there are some responsible gun owners. But they're just as guilty if they Politicub Dec 2012 #8

You're 100% correct: All NRA supporters are guilty and they are aligning themselves with byeya Dec 2012 #86

Very few gun owners are NRA members hack89 Dec 2012 #85

True, but the NRA is a LOBBY, and not for "the people"... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #149

Have you ever wondered why there is no gun control group hack89 Dec 2012 #150

Wonder which politicians are NRA members..time for google SummerSnow Dec 2012 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Dec 2012 #182

I accept those words just fine, but they are not a limiting condition on anything but the militia... PavePusher Dec 2012 #104

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #158

ENOUGH!!!! There are no words. cbayer Dec 2012 #5

Not Enough Jonny Dec 2012 #52

Since you have found your enemy, start a witch hunt. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #177

It's my observation that the gun lovers hide under rocks on a day like today. Loudly Dec 2012 #6

TIPPING POINT! n/t godai Dec 2012 #7

What makes one an "extremist"? N/T Marengo Dec 2012 #9

If you need to ask that question today, then you are one. Politicub Dec 2012 #10

Nonsensical response. I'll ask again, what makes one "extremist"? N/T Marengo Dec 2012 #12

I would say contributing to the NRA, taking an absolutist position on gun rights, Politicub Dec 2012 #16

It is you who are apparently confused.... Marengo Dec 2012 #20

Ok. We're all wrong and you are the bringer of truth Politicub Dec 2012 #26

You never read about 18 kids being "knifed" down by a killer scheming daemons Dec 2012 #32

Except, that you do. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #45

I heard that was the number of injured, not killed Tsiyu Dec 2012 #100

Injured THIS TIME. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #102

I don't care how you parse it Tsiyu Dec 2012 #103

And yet, I was able to find at least 3 instances of it in under a minute. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #105

Well pat yourself on the back, then Tsiyu Dec 2012 #109

Thanks. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #110

Eight isn't a lot? Marengo Dec 2012 #118

those same people could have quadrupled their death counts had they used guns bettyellen Dec 2012 #126

IMO, a "could have" argument is irrelevant in the collective culpubilty debate. Marengo Dec 2012 #128

it merely blows your completely false equivelency of knives = guns out of the water. bettyellen Dec 2012 #147

No, it doesn't... Marengo Dec 2012 #154

COngrats! You just revealed yourself as an extermist! morningfog Dec 2012 #136

And your definition of extremist is...? Marengo Dec 2012 #141

Like porn, you know it when you see it. morningfog Dec 2012 #144

Unintentionally I'm certain, but comical on your part Marengo Dec 2012 #159

The death toll isn't the point... Marengo Dec 2012 #108

you are making a joke of the issue by suggesting "knife control" . REVOLTING bettyellen Dec 2012 #127

Collective culpability is a joke? Marengo Dec 2012 #130

Scotland is pushing for such, and Boston is considering as well. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #178

You can outrun a guy with a knife but you can't outrun a bullet genius neverforget Dec 2012 #33

Really? Everyone? In all cases?... Marengo Dec 2012 #111

Prove outrunning a bullet neverforget Dec 2012 #125

Well, we certainly can't apply the label of genius to you... Marengo Dec 2012 #131

If said law-abiding gun owners.... paleotn Dec 2012 #90

Edged tools are never used for defense or offense? Marengo Dec 2012 #115

We need to drown the NRA in a bathtub Taverner Dec 2012 #113

So you agree that you can't outrun a bullet but you can outrun a guy with a knife? neverforget Dec 2012 #133

Who is the "you" in your statement? Marengo Dec 2012 #142

That would be you neverforget Dec 2012 #143

Yes, a genius you aren't... Marengo Dec 2012 #156

Hmmmm lets see. A guy with a gun is shooting at you vs a guy with a knife. In order neverforget Dec 2012 #160

No, you are sorry you have assumed... Marengo Dec 2012 #170

I'm sorry to hear that and for your disability. neverforget Dec 2012 #174

Thank you... Marengo Dec 2012 #183

This makes an extremist Jonny Dec 2012 #55

Denying reality. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #71

Please do explain how asking the OP to clarify the term "extremist"... Marengo Dec 2012 #124

Any implication, regardless of how straightforward or how disingenuous LanternWaste Dec 2012 #37

Asking the OP to clarify a broad and subjective term is "disingenuous"? Marengo Dec 2012 #119

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Second This Jonny Dec 2012 #56

Where have I stated there wasn't a problem? Marengo Dec 2012 #114

+10,000 smirkymonkey Dec 2012 #120

Where is there a "defense of guns" in my postings in this thread? Marengo Dec 2012 #121

I have never seen anyone, including the NRA, defend unlimited gun rights. ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #14

Give it a rest. No one is persuaded by the NRA talking points Politicub Dec 2012 #18

Who is "covering for murdered children"? Marengo Dec 2012 #21

Look in the mirror. Politicub Dec 2012 #22

Explain please... Marengo Dec 2012 #25

Explantion LondonReign2 Dec 2012 #75

Perhaps you can clarify what "NRA talking points" I have been "spewing" Marengo Dec 2012 #112

You are. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #72

How? Marengo Dec 2012 #116

How long have you had that avatar? Consider removing it. morningfog Dec 2012 #138

For longer than I can remember, and I'll continue to use it... Marengo Dec 2012 #140

I am pointing out dishonest rhetoric. ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #27

Humbly suggest you take a breath. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #46

I'm listening. Come up with a law that would actually make guns hard to acquire Recursion Dec 2012 #15

Tactic no. 18 in the NRA playbook - act like you're asking a question and then attack the answer. Politicub Dec 2012 #17

Nope. Recursion Dec 2012 #19

I don't know. I could guess, but I'm not a legislator. All I know is I would support Politicub Dec 2012 #23

I would, 100%, too. Even as a staunch 2nd Amendment person I would give up a LOT of ground on it... Recursion Dec 2012 #24

Smart people have come up with some good proposals to consider. Anything I say or Politicub Dec 2012 #28

Look, I'm listening Recursion Dec 2012 #31

Sorry I was an ass earlier. I just think of my nephews when I see this news Politicub Dec 2012 #36

could you suggest something anyway? snooper2 Dec 2012 #50

You want restrictions, bans, prohibitions, you propose. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #181

Assault weapons ban, high capacity magazine ban, ammunition taxes Politicub Dec 2012 #184

This message was self-deleted by its author Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #188

This message was self-deleted by its author Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #189

Dent in what? Crime rates or school massacres? Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #190

Yes. Will have a positive impact. Politicub Dec 2012 #191

Unworkable. The goal you propose is general prohibition. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #192

If that's what you believe. You're wrong, of course. Politicub Dec 2012 #193

Ban manufacture and importation of guns and ammunition nt Fresh_Start Dec 2012 #29

I don't think a supply-side answer would work Recursion Dec 2012 #30

Recursion, its a theoretical answer to your theoretical question Fresh_Start Dec 2012 #65

Again AlexSatan Dec 2012 #93

idiots can make drugs in their bathrooms Fresh_Start Dec 2012 #95

But yet most druggies do NOT AlexSatan Dec 2012 #99

How about mandatory psychological assessment before a gun purchase? Blaukraut Dec 2012 #35

There is one for handguns, or at least a mental health system check, though it should be more... Recursion Dec 2012 #38

But a mental health system check AlexSatan Dec 2012 #94

RF shielded tracking devices in all new guns. Harsh penalties if you try to break it. Politicub Dec 2012 #39

Shit, we failed that one sending guns into Mexico. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #47

That could work double duty. Jamastiene Dec 2012 #122

And the gun is manufactured to be unusable if the GPS JimDandy Dec 2012 #152

Second amendment extremists are all the same Politicub Dec 2012 #155

Um... I'm AGREEING with you. JimDandy Dec 2012 #161

Outlaw gunshows. Outlaw private sales. DevonRex Dec 2012 #40

Why pawn shops and gun shows? They have the same laws as anybody else Recursion Dec 2012 #41

Personal experience about where the most DevonRex Dec 2012 #43

Agree with all points. Politicub Dec 2012 #60

Just ban guns period, as they do in the UK, eventually the police will round up xtraxritical Dec 2012 #66

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You're a moron. n/t kurtzapril4 Dec 2012 #51

I own guns... PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #42

The NRAwill come forth with new ways to deal with the school violence tapermaker Dec 2012 #44

I find this kind of antagonistic post annoying and unproductive. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #49

sorry your offended .or annoyed tapermaker Dec 2012 #88

We need real solutions, not red herrings. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #172

Problem is... PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #151

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I'm with you OP, I don't want to hear from them, PERIOD loyalkydem Dec 2012 #53

Amen to that. Raffi Ella Dec 2012 #57

+1 Politicub Dec 2012 #59

+ 2 red dog 1 Dec 2012 #97

I've yet to see a thread started today EvilAL Dec 2012 #89

Not really. Arugula Latte Dec 2012 #137

It's expected that you would be EvilAL Dec 2012 #146

Meh...party and people are usually off limits but issues? Pretty rare, folks hold clear right wing TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #157

I'm not a gun nut by any means adieu Dec 2012 #58

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You don't even know the definition of fascism. This thread has nothing to Politicub Dec 2012 #63

GO. AWAY. n/t. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #64

You are speaking the truth Berserker Dec 2012 #73

Don't conflate "truth" with mere opinion for convenience sake LanternWaste Dec 2012 #74

Spot-on post: they DO have that blood on their hands, and they don't care. They want them apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #62

God bless the people who are sending the NRA supporters to hell mainstreetonce Dec 2012 #69

What's a 2nd amendment extremist? NeedleCast Dec 2012 #67

Apparently someone that follows what the Constitution says davidn3600 Dec 2012 #76

Scalia, is that you? Politicub Dec 2012 #80

No...just an average American that follows the constitution davidn3600 Dec 2012 #87

No, probably Scalia or Thomas thucythucy Dec 2012 #148

An extremist is... Politicub Dec 2012 #79

This is a non-answer NeedleCast Dec 2012 #92

My hands are shaking with emotion....grief, rage, fear, guit-wrenching sadness. Moostache Dec 2012 #68

+1 Politicub Dec 2012 #77

Your signature quote seems rather ironic underneath your post mythology Dec 2012 #117

Yes, they sure do. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #70

Outraged by their OUTRAGE TimKeller Dec 2012 #78

Great blog. Politicub Dec 2012 #81

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If you're not in favor of solutions and think everything is peachy keen Politicub Dec 2012 #84

Guns are NOT more important than PEOPLE. Care Acutely Dec 2012 #83

So what's the solution? Ter Dec 2012 #91

That's about a 2 on the helpful comments scale Bucky Dec 2012 #96

To the 20 year olds: you have blood on your hands AlexSatan Dec 2012 #98

The gun nuts aandegoons Dec 2012 #101

It seems that would be too cerebral... Marengo Dec 2012 #123

You and your kind are the best god damned thing that ever happened to the NRA and the gun industry. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #106

actually, it's the nut jobs who think of people who favor gun control as "your kind" ... the same bettyellen Dec 2012 #129

keep telling yourself that. See how far it gets you. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #134

Meh. They're used to it. nt eppur_se_muova Dec 2012 #107

I think the people who put together the Constitution . . . fadedrose Dec 2012 #132

I am 100% with you today. alarimer Dec 2012 #135

The right to kill should never trump the right to life kevinbgoode1 Dec 2012 #139

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what he said. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #153

It's so productive Budgies Revenge Dec 2012 #162

The OP wasn't calling for a discussion or a dialog. There is no need to do that. stevenleser Dec 2012 #163

With all due respect Budgies Revenge Dec 2012 #164

Nope, no need to discuss it. One side has a sane perspective, the other doesn't. stevenleser Dec 2012 #165

Well, I won't hazzard Budgies Revenge Dec 2012 #166

Look up the meaning of the word "democratic" please. Kei7777 Dec 2012 #168

Nothing in the meaning of 'democratic' requires one to consider insanity. If one side proposes stevenleser Dec 2012 #171

If you don't support sensible gun control, then you are a bottom dweller and I Politicub Dec 2012 #187

The NRA .. SummerSnow Dec 2012 #167

KnR...n/t Hepburn Dec 2012 #173

Anybody who gives one damn penny to the fucking NRA workinclasszero Dec 2012 #175

Unfortunately, there are millions more that support the NRA, but are free-riders. The whole bunch Hoyt Dec 2012 #176

"The whole bunch needs to be viewed as a threat to society..." workinclasszero Dec 2012 #180

Here here! Politicub Dec 2012 #186

I'm a gun owner and I am fucking sick of the gun nuts. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #179

My husband and I are, too Politicub Dec 2012 #185