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161. Strict gun laws that tend to make gun crime less??

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:06 AM

Dec 2012

Please apply that logic to Illinois, Chicago, Detroit, Oakland and the rest of the big cities with very strict gun laws.
Sorry it doesn't work by a long shot.
Yes I am a lot safer because I own and carry firearms. Not one of my weapons has ever been a problem to anyone but one did stop a very bad situation from getting much worse. LEO's did respond and I walked away with my firearm. The bad guy went to jail.
How many reports can you find that deal with a person with a CCW doing something illegal with their weapon. How many reports can you find about criminals who ignored all the gun control laws and did something illegal with a firearm/handgun or assault weapon?
So who are the problem people here? The ones who obey the laws or the individual who ignore the laws and kill innocent people?

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I have a bunch of guns. Ask me anything. [View all] Deep13 Dec 2012 OP

self-editiing Skittles Dec 2012 #1

No, this is the time to have a discussion on gun control. Deep13 Dec 2012 #5

people unsure of how many guns they have??? Skittles Dec 2012 #9

I'm not going to kill anyone. nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #16

someone could break into your house and steal a gun Skittles Dec 2012 #20

That seems to be a limited definition of "know". ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #53

I seriously hope you are joking Skittles Dec 2012 #55

I wouldn't know if someone broke in? Deep13 Dec 2012 #89

I think double digits are your specialty Skittles Dec 2012 #173

Wow what an assumption qkvhj Dec 2012 #126

Why don't you just take up whittling or some other hobby? femmocrat Dec 2012 #2

They aren't manly man enough? Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #4

essentially. nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #23

And there it is. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #181

I do archery too. Deep13 Dec 2012 #21

Your answer is very disturbing to me. femmocrat Dec 2012 #27

elaborate Deep13 Dec 2012 #91

Why in God's name do you have 15 guns for? hrmjustin Dec 2012 #3

15 or 16 Deep13 Dec 2012 #15

Well it just seems odd to have that many, but who the hell am I to judge. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #29

I guess it is. I'm a bit eccentric. Deep13 Dec 2012 #94

That is not a large number for a competitor or sport shooter. Its minimal for a prepper ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #107

I won't ask you a thing. Whovian Dec 2012 #6

Thanks for writing to say so. nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #24

How can you not know exactly how many guns you have?... SidDithers Dec 2012 #7

it is called "gun culture" Skittles Dec 2012 #13

Not all gun owners are illiterate rednecks. ... spin Dec 2012 #145

you are confusing gun owners and gun nuts Skittles Dec 2012 #174

The problem with the term "gun nuts" ... spin Dec 2012 #176

gawd Skittles Dec 2012 #177

+1 - Maybe he doesn't really think of the potential damage. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #17

Well, I'd notice that the door was kicked in. Deep13 Dec 2012 #25

Have you ever shot in competition? frank380 Dec 2012 #8

afraid not. Deep13 Dec 2012 #30

I do shoot comp qkvhj Dec 2012 #135

OK ... Vox Moi Dec 2012 #10

each in turn... Deep13 Dec 2012 #32

Would it be possible to have a really satisfying target pistol ... Vox Moi Dec 2012 #88

I wrote a response but my computer lost it. Deep13 Dec 2012 #100

Are you the model gun owner in your view? Cobalt Violet Dec 2012 #11

If it's not important to you, don't respond. Deep13 Dec 2012 #33

Is there something you really want that you would trade for your guns? rwheeler31 Dec 2012 #12

universal health care would do it. Deep13 Dec 2012 #62

Okay, I'll bite TexasBushwhacker Dec 2012 #14

two of those would be inconvenient, but not really problem. Deep13 Dec 2012 #72

I'll ask you to turn them in to your local police or destroy them Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #18

I think the people who forget they have a gun at the airport are stupid Skittles Dec 2012 #22

I asked you to keep the personal insults to yourself. nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #35

LOL Skittles Dec 2012 #45

I'm out in the sticks. Deep13 Dec 2012 #51

As long as we're talking about self-defense... Bonobo Dec 2012 #19

Security guard also? Cop? What about carrying a baseball bat? Is that armed? Logical Dec 2012 #28

Nope, just a gun in the hand of a non-uniformed person. Bonobo Dec 2012 #34

That's not self defense pintobean Dec 2012 #41

Perhaps according to the law, yeah. Bonobo Dec 2012 #49

Would you assault a woman who's carrying? pintobean Dec 2012 #61

Good question. Bonobo Dec 2012 #63

Every cop I've ever known carries off-duty pintobean Dec 2012 #98

Yeah, cause America is fucking nuts. Bonobo Dec 2012 #101

They're not always concealed. pintobean Dec 2012 #109

Yup, so they don't really care if they scare people. Bonobo Dec 2012 #113

If I were as worried as you appear to be, pintobean Dec 2012 #133

Lots of smart answers. Bonobo Dec 2012 #151

wow Budgies Revenge Dec 2012 #142

I was thinking along this line as well qkvhj Dec 2012 #148

Carrying in hand or in a holster? I have never seen someone carrying a gun in their hand. n-t Logical Dec 2012 #43

A holstered gun in the hands of a civilian... Bonobo Dec 2012 #52

I would like to see you come down to kansas and punch some of these farmers in the face... Logical Dec 2012 #57

I wouldn't go to Kansas. Bonobo Dec 2012 #59

If you live in a state where open carry is legal you still go to jail! Logical Dec 2012 #65

Don't be scared, Logical. Bonobo Dec 2012 #69

Lol, I love the tough guy on the Internet ploy! Logical Dec 2012 #75

LOL, me too, tough guy. Bonobo Dec 2012 #84

Your insecurities far surpass that of any public gun toter. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #64

I am just exposing the cowardice of gun defenders. Bonobo Dec 2012 #70

You're right. I completely understand how you assaulting someone with a gun... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #117

Yeah, what could possibly be threatening about a person with a loaded gun? Bonobo Dec 2012 #76

How do you tell a civilian from an LEO? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #114

He now realizes it was a failed point! n-t Logical Dec 2012 #120

No, I do not. Bonobo Dec 2012 #123

He can't answer this question qkvhj Dec 2012 #152

It is truly hilarious to expose the fear that gun defenders have. Bonobo Dec 2012 #67

I think it is funny someone hates guns so bad they want to assault.. Logical Dec 2012 #71

Who said I would WANT to? Bonobo Dec 2012 #81

LOL, so anyone in a security guard uniform is ok? I love this!! Logical Dec 2012 #85

Well, that would be at least SOME indication that they are carrying in the performance of a job. Bonobo Dec 2012 #93

Anyone can walk around in a security guard uniform, hell, even have... Logical Dec 2012 #97

"Illogical" is a better name for you. Bonobo Dec 2012 #99

Lol, your security guard ok vs. citizen cop not ended this discussion! You.. Logical Dec 2012 #105

LOL, you still didn't answer the question. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #108

Go work on the heavy bag Rocky, for that ultimate encounter with that off duty detective! LOL Logical Dec 2012 #115

Don't need to. Bonobo Dec 2012 #121

Stop... now you are trying to change the basis of your own statement qkvhj Dec 2012 #155

Non uniformed LEO must love you for that ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #112

Yeah, it is ironic for sure. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #118

Its hilarious ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #125

Yes, it is an academic argument and I see no indication I failed. Bonobo Dec 2012 #128

The answer is clearly no ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #137

So if a crazy guy walks into a mall, I will just ignore it as long as his gun is holstered. Bonobo Dec 2012 #139

How do you know he is crazy? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #144

Now you have stumbled on the truth. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #146

It was always there, but your framing of it, as a reducto absurdum, failed ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #150

I'll bite sarisataka Dec 2012 #138

That will never happen. Deep13 Dec 2012 #37

That's good. Bonobo Dec 2012 #40

sure, that would be threatening. nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #78

Hmmm... slutticus Dec 2012 #74

I see quotes. Who said that? Bonobo Dec 2012 #95

Again all I can say is wow qkvhj Dec 2012 #141

So, you're the second person talk about the obscene amount of guns that you have... cynatnite Dec 2012 #26

I'm tempted to ask them EXACTLY HOW SMALL IS IT??? Skittles Dec 2012 #31

no sex threads. tos nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #39

not bragging, seems like exactly the right time to talk. nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #38

Go count your fucking guns since you don't know how many you own. n/t cynatnite Dec 2012 #129

I see that you have a clear rationale for owning many guns and have srican69 Dec 2012 #36

Most others, sadly, are digging in their heels. Deep13 Dec 2012 #48

Your last paragraph summed it up well IMO. I did target shooting as a youth decades and RKP5637 Dec 2012 #58

Tell me exactly how it would be a hardship on you BlueStreak Dec 2012 #42

okay, that would be fine with me. Deep13 Dec 2012 #50

It seems reasonable to me as well BlueStreak Dec 2012 #83

definetly eliminate all unregulated transfers. Deep13 Dec 2012 #116

I already live in this reality qkvhj Dec 2012 #164

We cannot expect to stop every one. There are 300M guns and a lot of crazy people BlueStreak Dec 2012 #183

Tell me how society would be safer if he did so. krispos42 Dec 2012 #119

Seat belts have not prevented EVERY auto death BlueStreak Dec 2012 #182

Your proposals that I replied do did not include a waiting period krispos42 Dec 2012 #187

That is a BS argument BlueStreak Dec 2012 #192

Registration is about post-crime investigation and prosecution. krispos42 Dec 2012 #193

If any of them are stolen, should you be held criminally responsible for crimes committed with BiminiTwisted Dec 2012 #44

They're pretty secure. Deep13 Dec 2012 #56

Everyone has a hobby, many collect things. I hope you keep them safe. uppityperson Dec 2012 #46

college, USA history to 1877. Deep13 Dec 2012 #60

I have to say you seem rational to me Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #92

um, thanks? Deep13 Dec 2012 #124

I respect you and your love of guns Herlong Dec 2012 #47

thanks Deep13 Dec 2012 #73

You need 15 for target shooting? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #54

awkward phrasing. Deep13 Dec 2012 #77

Auto correct sucks nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #102

I don't NEED any. Deep13 Dec 2012 #127

Yeah, but it is the potential of them getting lost nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #136

What's your favorite dish at Thanksgiving? musical_soul Dec 2012 #66

that's not fair! Deep13 Dec 2012 #80

How do you lock them up? slutticus Dec 2012 #68

they are in they're own room. Deep13 Dec 2012 #82

Why not a big safe? slutticus Dec 2012 #90

They're big. Deep13 Dec 2012 #111

Ginger or Mary Ann? jorno67 Dec 2012 #79

Mary Ann, a real woman, not a useless trophy. nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #86

Another one, TRJuan Dec 2012 #87

A long time I would think. Deep13 Dec 2012 #104

Would you be okay with a federal law to have all firearms secured in the home? former-republican Dec 2012 #96

I think a person should be able to have one handy. Deep13 Dec 2012 #106

unsecured firearms is an important issue in my opinion former-republican Dec 2012 #122

Agreed that trigger locks =/= secured. Deep13 Dec 2012 #130

Some are through straw purchases former-republican Dec 2012 #140

Ask you anything? tandot Dec 2012 #103

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #110

I don't know why you have to be offensive. Do you? Democratopia Dec 2012 #132

Why I have to be offensive? tandot Dec 2012 #143

Yes your language has been very offensive. If you want to live in a climate of peace, try working Democratopia Dec 2012 #149

My language is offending you? tandot Dec 2012 #160

You were extremely offensive to the opening poster. Your excuse seems to be Democratopia Dec 2012 #185

Really? tandot Dec 2012 #194

This thread should disappear... trash. n/t Agschmid Dec 2012 #131

Why? Why is there so much censorship? Why is there so much anger aimed at the opening poster? Democratopia Dec 2012 #134

He doesn't know how many fucking guns he owns. cynatnite Dec 2012 #147

I am anti-gun, would never own a gun, but I have no idea how many knives I have. Democratopia Dec 2012 #154

You are comparing knives to guns...seriously? cynatnite Dec 2012 #158

I think one gun is too many, but we are where we are. Democratopia Dec 2012 #162

At close range in skilled hands a knife is a more deadly weapon than many handguns. .... spin Dec 2012 #179

At this time gun owners are not popular here on DU. ... spin Dec 2012 #153

good luck on that former-republican Dec 2012 #156

You are right. Sadly that is why we have not made any real progress in the last decade. spin Dec 2012 #165

Why wait? Cut up your NRA card and mail it to them if you feel that righteous about it. n/t cynatnite Dec 2012 #159

I might if I could find the damn thing. ... spin Dec 2012 #166

And that's all that is stopping you from telling them to stick where the sun don't shine? n/t cynatnite Dec 2012 #170

After thinking about this ... spin Dec 2012 #178

You are giving the NRA a fair chance to sit down with Obama? Seriously? n/t cynatnite Dec 2012 #184

I think timing is important. ... spin Dec 2012 #191

Delete. replied to wrong poster. spin Dec 2012 #190

Are you safer owning the guns vs. if you did not have them? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #157

Strict gun laws that tend to make gun crime less?? qkvhj Dec 2012 #161

Those are cities. States are much more representative. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #163

Not really the actual numbers demonstrate smarting very different qkvhj Dec 2012 #167

Wyoming is pretty damned white. So is Montana. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #169

I think you're picking and chosing numbers to your liking Kennah Dec 2012 #172

You're not including accidents and suicides MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #189

What Will You Do With Them otohara Dec 2012 #168

I used to have 22 guns, but I misplaced a couple of them. Kennah Dec 2012 #171

Wow darkangel218 Dec 2012 #175

Thanks for identifying yourself. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #180

Are you a douchenozzle in real life or do you simply play one on DU? - n/t coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #186

LOL! You crack me up, Deep 13. What could have possibly motivated you Zorra Dec 2012 #188