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164. I already live in this reality

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:13 AM

Dec 2012

In cali all firearms transfers have to go through a dealer and all checks are mandatory. There is a mandatory 10 day waiting period on every sale in this state. I'm good with that. There are no legal firearms sales between private parties in this state and I'm good with that too.
What I'm not good with is any kind of fee or tax past that initial check and waiting time.
All of this and you will prob still get shot if you are white and walking in the wrong part of Oakland after dark on any night. The bad guys just ignore all of the laws so the only ones really impacted by these laws are the good guys who aren't out killing people.
I am interested in knowing what else we can do that will stop this murder and not restrict the constitutional rights of the clean record good guys in this country.

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I have a bunch of guns. Ask me anything. [View all] Deep13 Dec 2012 OP

self-editiing Skittles Dec 2012 #1

No, this is the time to have a discussion on gun control. Deep13 Dec 2012 #5

people unsure of how many guns they have??? Skittles Dec 2012 #9

I'm not going to kill anyone. nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #16

someone could break into your house and steal a gun Skittles Dec 2012 #20

That seems to be a limited definition of "know". ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #53

I seriously hope you are joking Skittles Dec 2012 #55

I wouldn't know if someone broke in? Deep13 Dec 2012 #89

I think double digits are your specialty Skittles Dec 2012 #173

Wow what an assumption qkvhj Dec 2012 #126

Why don't you just take up whittling or some other hobby? femmocrat Dec 2012 #2

They aren't manly man enough? Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #4

essentially. nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #23

And there it is. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #181

I do archery too. Deep13 Dec 2012 #21

Your answer is very disturbing to me. femmocrat Dec 2012 #27

elaborate Deep13 Dec 2012 #91

Why in God's name do you have 15 guns for? hrmjustin Dec 2012 #3

15 or 16 Deep13 Dec 2012 #15

Well it just seems odd to have that many, but who the hell am I to judge. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #29

I guess it is. I'm a bit eccentric. Deep13 Dec 2012 #94

That is not a large number for a competitor or sport shooter. Its minimal for a prepper ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #107

I won't ask you a thing. Whovian Dec 2012 #6

Thanks for writing to say so. nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #24

How can you not know exactly how many guns you have?... SidDithers Dec 2012 #7

it is called "gun culture" Skittles Dec 2012 #13

Not all gun owners are illiterate rednecks. ... spin Dec 2012 #145

you are confusing gun owners and gun nuts Skittles Dec 2012 #174

The problem with the term "gun nuts" ... spin Dec 2012 #176

gawd Skittles Dec 2012 #177

+1 - Maybe he doesn't really think of the potential damage. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #17

Well, I'd notice that the door was kicked in. Deep13 Dec 2012 #25

Have you ever shot in competition? frank380 Dec 2012 #8

afraid not. Deep13 Dec 2012 #30

I do shoot comp qkvhj Dec 2012 #135

OK ... Vox Moi Dec 2012 #10

each in turn... Deep13 Dec 2012 #32

Would it be possible to have a really satisfying target pistol ... Vox Moi Dec 2012 #88

I wrote a response but my computer lost it. Deep13 Dec 2012 #100

Are you the model gun owner in your view? Cobalt Violet Dec 2012 #11

If it's not important to you, don't respond. Deep13 Dec 2012 #33

Is there something you really want that you would trade for your guns? rwheeler31 Dec 2012 #12

universal health care would do it. Deep13 Dec 2012 #62

Okay, I'll bite TexasBushwhacker Dec 2012 #14

two of those would be inconvenient, but not really problem. Deep13 Dec 2012 #72

I'll ask you to turn them in to your local police or destroy them Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #18

I think the people who forget they have a gun at the airport are stupid Skittles Dec 2012 #22

I asked you to keep the personal insults to yourself. nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #35

LOL Skittles Dec 2012 #45

I'm out in the sticks. Deep13 Dec 2012 #51

As long as we're talking about self-defense... Bonobo Dec 2012 #19

Security guard also? Cop? What about carrying a baseball bat? Is that armed? Logical Dec 2012 #28

Nope, just a gun in the hand of a non-uniformed person. Bonobo Dec 2012 #34

That's not self defense pintobean Dec 2012 #41

Perhaps according to the law, yeah. Bonobo Dec 2012 #49

Would you assault a woman who's carrying? pintobean Dec 2012 #61

Good question. Bonobo Dec 2012 #63

Every cop I've ever known carries off-duty pintobean Dec 2012 #98

Yeah, cause America is fucking nuts. Bonobo Dec 2012 #101

They're not always concealed. pintobean Dec 2012 #109

Yup, so they don't really care if they scare people. Bonobo Dec 2012 #113

If I were as worried as you appear to be, pintobean Dec 2012 #133

Lots of smart answers. Bonobo Dec 2012 #151

wow Budgies Revenge Dec 2012 #142

I was thinking along this line as well qkvhj Dec 2012 #148

Carrying in hand or in a holster? I have never seen someone carrying a gun in their hand. n-t Logical Dec 2012 #43

A holstered gun in the hands of a civilian... Bonobo Dec 2012 #52

I would like to see you come down to kansas and punch some of these farmers in the face... Logical Dec 2012 #57

I wouldn't go to Kansas. Bonobo Dec 2012 #59

If you live in a state where open carry is legal you still go to jail! Logical Dec 2012 #65

Don't be scared, Logical. Bonobo Dec 2012 #69

Lol, I love the tough guy on the Internet ploy! Logical Dec 2012 #75

LOL, me too, tough guy. Bonobo Dec 2012 #84

Your insecurities far surpass that of any public gun toter. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #64

I am just exposing the cowardice of gun defenders. Bonobo Dec 2012 #70

You're right. I completely understand how you assaulting someone with a gun... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #117

Yeah, what could possibly be threatening about a person with a loaded gun? Bonobo Dec 2012 #76

How do you tell a civilian from an LEO? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #114

He now realizes it was a failed point! n-t Logical Dec 2012 #120

No, I do not. Bonobo Dec 2012 #123

He can't answer this question qkvhj Dec 2012 #152

It is truly hilarious to expose the fear that gun defenders have. Bonobo Dec 2012 #67

I think it is funny someone hates guns so bad they want to assault.. Logical Dec 2012 #71

Who said I would WANT to? Bonobo Dec 2012 #81

LOL, so anyone in a security guard uniform is ok? I love this!! Logical Dec 2012 #85

Well, that would be at least SOME indication that they are carrying in the performance of a job. Bonobo Dec 2012 #93

Anyone can walk around in a security guard uniform, hell, even have... Logical Dec 2012 #97

"Illogical" is a better name for you. Bonobo Dec 2012 #99

Lol, your security guard ok vs. citizen cop not ended this discussion! You.. Logical Dec 2012 #105

LOL, you still didn't answer the question. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #108

Go work on the heavy bag Rocky, for that ultimate encounter with that off duty detective! LOL Logical Dec 2012 #115

Don't need to. Bonobo Dec 2012 #121

Stop... now you are trying to change the basis of your own statement qkvhj Dec 2012 #155

Non uniformed LEO must love you for that ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #112

Yeah, it is ironic for sure. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #118

Its hilarious ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #125

Yes, it is an academic argument and I see no indication I failed. Bonobo Dec 2012 #128

The answer is clearly no ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #137

So if a crazy guy walks into a mall, I will just ignore it as long as his gun is holstered. Bonobo Dec 2012 #139

How do you know he is crazy? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #144

Now you have stumbled on the truth. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #146

It was always there, but your framing of it, as a reducto absurdum, failed ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #150

I'll bite sarisataka Dec 2012 #138

That will never happen. Deep13 Dec 2012 #37

That's good. Bonobo Dec 2012 #40

sure, that would be threatening. nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #78

Hmmm... slutticus Dec 2012 #74

I see quotes. Who said that? Bonobo Dec 2012 #95

Again all I can say is wow qkvhj Dec 2012 #141

So, you're the second person talk about the obscene amount of guns that you have... cynatnite Dec 2012 #26

I'm tempted to ask them EXACTLY HOW SMALL IS IT??? Skittles Dec 2012 #31

no sex threads. tos nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #39

not bragging, seems like exactly the right time to talk. nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #38

Go count your fucking guns since you don't know how many you own. n/t cynatnite Dec 2012 #129

I see that you have a clear rationale for owning many guns and have srican69 Dec 2012 #36

Most others, sadly, are digging in their heels. Deep13 Dec 2012 #48

Your last paragraph summed it up well IMO. I did target shooting as a youth decades and RKP5637 Dec 2012 #58

Tell me exactly how it would be a hardship on you BlueStreak Dec 2012 #42

okay, that would be fine with me. Deep13 Dec 2012 #50

It seems reasonable to me as well BlueStreak Dec 2012 #83

definetly eliminate all unregulated transfers. Deep13 Dec 2012 #116

I already live in this reality qkvhj Dec 2012 #164

We cannot expect to stop every one. There are 300M guns and a lot of crazy people BlueStreak Dec 2012 #183

Tell me how society would be safer if he did so. krispos42 Dec 2012 #119

Seat belts have not prevented EVERY auto death BlueStreak Dec 2012 #182

Your proposals that I replied do did not include a waiting period krispos42 Dec 2012 #187

That is a BS argument BlueStreak Dec 2012 #192

Registration is about post-crime investigation and prosecution. krispos42 Dec 2012 #193

If any of them are stolen, should you be held criminally responsible for crimes committed with BiminiTwisted Dec 2012 #44

They're pretty secure. Deep13 Dec 2012 #56

Everyone has a hobby, many collect things. I hope you keep them safe. uppityperson Dec 2012 #46

college, USA history to 1877. Deep13 Dec 2012 #60

I have to say you seem rational to me Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #92

um, thanks? Deep13 Dec 2012 #124

I respect you and your love of guns Herlong Dec 2012 #47

thanks Deep13 Dec 2012 #73

You need 15 for target shooting? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #54

awkward phrasing. Deep13 Dec 2012 #77

Auto correct sucks nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #102

I don't NEED any. Deep13 Dec 2012 #127

Yeah, but it is the potential of them getting lost nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #136

What's your favorite dish at Thanksgiving? musical_soul Dec 2012 #66

that's not fair! Deep13 Dec 2012 #80

How do you lock them up? slutticus Dec 2012 #68

they are in they're own room. Deep13 Dec 2012 #82

Why not a big safe? slutticus Dec 2012 #90

They're big. Deep13 Dec 2012 #111

Ginger or Mary Ann? jorno67 Dec 2012 #79

Mary Ann, a real woman, not a useless trophy. nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #86

Another one, TRJuan Dec 2012 #87

A long time I would think. Deep13 Dec 2012 #104

Would you be okay with a federal law to have all firearms secured in the home? former-republican Dec 2012 #96

I think a person should be able to have one handy. Deep13 Dec 2012 #106

unsecured firearms is an important issue in my opinion former-republican Dec 2012 #122

Agreed that trigger locks =/= secured. Deep13 Dec 2012 #130

Some are through straw purchases former-republican Dec 2012 #140

Ask you anything? tandot Dec 2012 #103

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #110

I don't know why you have to be offensive. Do you? Democratopia Dec 2012 #132

Why I have to be offensive? tandot Dec 2012 #143

Yes your language has been very offensive. If you want to live in a climate of peace, try working Democratopia Dec 2012 #149

My language is offending you? tandot Dec 2012 #160

You were extremely offensive to the opening poster. Your excuse seems to be Democratopia Dec 2012 #185

Really? tandot Dec 2012 #194

This thread should disappear... trash. n/t Agschmid Dec 2012 #131

Why? Why is there so much censorship? Why is there so much anger aimed at the opening poster? Democratopia Dec 2012 #134

He doesn't know how many fucking guns he owns. cynatnite Dec 2012 #147

I am anti-gun, would never own a gun, but I have no idea how many knives I have. Democratopia Dec 2012 #154

You are comparing knives to guns...seriously? cynatnite Dec 2012 #158

I think one gun is too many, but we are where we are. Democratopia Dec 2012 #162

At close range in skilled hands a knife is a more deadly weapon than many handguns. .... spin Dec 2012 #179

At this time gun owners are not popular here on DU. ... spin Dec 2012 #153

good luck on that former-republican Dec 2012 #156

You are right. Sadly that is why we have not made any real progress in the last decade. spin Dec 2012 #165

Why wait? Cut up your NRA card and mail it to them if you feel that righteous about it. n/t cynatnite Dec 2012 #159

I might if I could find the damn thing. ... spin Dec 2012 #166

And that's all that is stopping you from telling them to stick where the sun don't shine? n/t cynatnite Dec 2012 #170

After thinking about this ... spin Dec 2012 #178

You are giving the NRA a fair chance to sit down with Obama? Seriously? n/t cynatnite Dec 2012 #184

I think timing is important. ... spin Dec 2012 #191

Delete. replied to wrong poster. spin Dec 2012 #190

Are you safer owning the guns vs. if you did not have them? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #157

Strict gun laws that tend to make gun crime less?? qkvhj Dec 2012 #161

Those are cities. States are much more representative. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #163

Not really the actual numbers demonstrate smarting very different qkvhj Dec 2012 #167

Wyoming is pretty damned white. So is Montana. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #169

I think you're picking and chosing numbers to your liking Kennah Dec 2012 #172

You're not including accidents and suicides MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #189

What Will You Do With Them otohara Dec 2012 #168

I used to have 22 guns, but I misplaced a couple of them. Kennah Dec 2012 #171

Wow darkangel218 Dec 2012 #175

Thanks for identifying yourself. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #180

Are you a douchenozzle in real life or do you simply play one on DU? - n/t coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #186

LOL! You crack me up, Deep 13. What could have possibly motivated you Zorra Dec 2012 #188