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TorchTheWitch

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93. your talking about all violent crimes vs. specificly mass murder

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:19 AM

Dec 2012

And there as the article stated you would be correct. However, I think you and the other poster are talking past each other because you are talking about all gun related incidents while they are talking specifically about mass murder gun related incidents. The article DID specify that when it came to incidents of mass murder mental illness was a large contributing factor that is made significantly worse if the mentally ill person abused drugs or alcohol as well.

Yes, most murderers are not mentally ill and are more likely to be abusers of drugs and alcohol, but most mass murders are likely to be mentally ill and more likely to commit a mass murder if they are mentally ill and also abuse drugs or alcohol.

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This blaming those of us mentally ill for your fucking gun problems is getting tiresome. [View all] cliffordu Dec 2012 OP

KIcking it just cause I'm a little pissed. cliffordu Dec 2012 #1

It is a public health issue nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #2

Well there are some very strict gun laws in Conn Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #85

The bushmaster was bought across state lines nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #96

Not that strict Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #97

Who's blamed you? Shivering Jemmy Dec 2012 #3

thank you for your perspective and for your sense of responsibility to others liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #6

Every. Single. Time. Scootaloo Dec 2012 #8

I don't think "culture" alone can force someone to slaughter more than two dozen innocents. Arugula Latte Dec 2012 #11

Yeah. Easy access to guns. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #75

Easy access to guns, a right wing fearfest, iemitsu Dec 2012 #86

"force?" no, it is a contributing cause. Deep13 Dec 2012 #82

Right. I was just taking issue with the poster I responded to. Arugula Latte Dec 2012 #105

So-called normal people Abq_Sarah Dec 2012 #121

NO ONE can guarantee they will never tblue Dec 2012 #78

It doesn't have to be either/or. napoleon_in_rags Dec 2012 #114

Shivering Jemmy, Your comment gave me chills.. rainlillie Dec 2012 #57

Totally relate and agree easttexaslefty Dec 2012 #103

+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2012 #106

KnR alittlelark Dec 2012 #4

no one is blaming every single mentally ill person but liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #5

Well stated. Thank you for your most thoughtful and logical post. corneliamcgillicutty Dec 2012 #101

The way America approaches problems is part of the problem. Gregorian Dec 2012 #7

Being Mentally ill is having a diagnosed mental illness BainsBane Dec 2012 #10

here's an interesting read on mass murders in Psychology Today liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #17

Thank you so much for referring us to that Psychology Today article! ReRe Dec 2012 #44

you are right on about encouraging them to take their meds liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #47

Yes, one gets to feeling better and doesn't take the meds anymore... ReRe Dec 2012 #55

Sylvia Seegrist - Springfield Mall, PA, 1985 TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #91

You assume they do BainsBane Dec 2012 #92

I do wonder BainsBane Dec 2012 #94

I'll say it again- it's about EMOTIONAL WELLNESS. Gregorian Dec 2012 #100

I provided a link BainsBane Dec 2012 #112

Interesting that your account of the causes of depression BainsBane Dec 2012 #113

I fully agree with you loyalsister Dec 2012 #9

it's not ignored by those of us who know someone with a mental illness and who want liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #13

I know there are individuals who care loyalsister Dec 2012 #15

I do not blame you, but if ruled the world I would not let you have a gun. KILL THE WISE ONE Dec 2012 #12

Why? BainsBane Dec 2012 #19

No offense but you don't speak for every, your words, mentally ill person Fearless Dec 2012 #14

There is No correlation between mental illness and violence BainsBane Dec 2012 #21

Correlation does not equal causation Fearless Dec 2012 #24

Some are men and some are women? BainsBane Dec 2012 #30

you do know that most mental illness is not diagnosed Skittles Dec 2012 #60

Your point? BainsBane Dec 2012 #64

forget it Skittles Dec 2012 #68

Ok BainsBane Dec 2012 #70

Not strictly true. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #27

Yes, thank you BainsBane Dec 2012 #28

Totally agree. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #31

Having a mental illness zabet Dec 2012 #16

"how his mind betrayed him" liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #20

That was part of what zabet Dec 2012 #80

it's so scary how the current state of mental-health care leaves people in your situation... renate Dec 2012 #66

Thank you zabet Dec 2012 #72

wouldn't it be nice if it were illegal to operate a gun while intoxicated? liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #73

Yes! zabet Dec 2012 #83

the little bit of news i've watched -- they absolutely haven't even said "mental illness" orleans Dec 2012 #18

Your post is thought provoking coldbeer Dec 2012 #22

This board has been full of "guns aren't the problem, untreated mental illness is." Zoeisright Dec 2012 #76

no--i honestly haven't seen that. but i haven't been on here that much. n/t orleans Dec 2012 #117

Shooting up a bunch of people indicates mental illness mindwalker_i Dec 2012 #23

I don't blame mental illness, defacto7 Dec 2012 #25

people who are mentally ill should not have guns Dustin DeWinde Dec 2012 #26

that's interesting you would make that analogy liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #29

Your "common sense" is prejudice BainsBane Dec 2012 #32

your article is not the end all be all answer liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #34

Psych Today sites a study BainsBane Dec 2012 #35

in the psychology today article it says liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #36

The key issue is alcohol and drugs BainsBane Dec 2012 #38

in mass murder key contributors are drugs, alcohol, and mental illness liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #40

Evidence? BainsBane Dec 2012 #48

i provided evidence. You are so not worth it. going on ignore. liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #49

How weak minded BainsBane Dec 2012 #51

I cited the same study in psych today BainsBane Dec 2012 #54

YOU KNOW IT, LIBERAL Skittles Dec 2012 #84

No, the key issue is unfettered access to assault weapons. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #77

Well yes BainsBane Dec 2012 #79

The blaming of law abiding gun owners letemrot Dec 2012 #33

Prove it BainsBane Dec 2012 #37

Prove that I haven't committed a murder? letemrot Dec 2012 #39

Prove that mental illness is the cause of mass murder BainsBane Dec 2012 #42

Well.. Ill go out on a limb letemrot Dec 2012 #45

You are assuming BainsBane Dec 2012 #52

Ok so you're going to blame me as a 'gun lover' letemrot Dec 2012 #56

No BainsBane Dec 2012 #61

Fair enough. letemrot Dec 2012 #71

You too BainsBane Dec 2012 #74

your talking about all violent crimes vs. specificly mass murder TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #93

I see your point. BainsBane Dec 2012 #95

Let me add letemrot Dec 2012 #41

And you have the added pleasure BainsBane Dec 2012 #43

Blaming the individual that commits the act letemrot Dec 2012 #46

And of course you are right... letemrot Dec 2012 #50

There are a few issues BainsBane Dec 2012 #58

I never said any such thing. letemrot Dec 2012 #59

Not for this crime BainsBane Dec 2012 #63

CALL IT A DAY??? Skittles Dec 2012 #62

Yes. As in stop pointing fingers letemrot Dec 2012 #65

sorry your widdle feelings got hurt Skittles Dec 2012 #67

You're the one with the puke smiley. letemrot Dec 2012 #69

No need to argue semantics, minutia- reframe the issue & make guns part of the war on terror graham4anything Dec 2012 #53

agreed Deep13 Dec 2012 #81

For me, the issue to look at is immaturity Tsiyu Dec 2012 #87

A child lies with 11 bullets in them, that's mental arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #88

So every person that kills someone is "mentally ill?" Tsiyu Dec 2012 #99

Lousy job of extrapolating arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #104

Your are conflating hideous crimes with mental illness. Cetacea Dec 2012 #118

You're doing it again. I did not say all hideous arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #124

I'm sorry if my posts could be construed that way lbrtbell Dec 2012 #89

Normal people aren't pushed over the edge? Cetacea Dec 2012 #119

Hell yeah DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #90

Most people have a limited or no understanding of mental illness. etherealtruth Dec 2012 #98

The really sad part is that they are ignored even after a tragedy occurs. nt Live and Learn Dec 2012 #109

It is abominable etherealtruth Dec 2012 #111

agree.... madrchsod Dec 2012 #102

I'm VERY concerned about SSRI drugs and suicide/murder ideations. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #107

Not blame at all. In fact, we want better mental health care Live and Learn Dec 2012 #108

It is a RWing talking point that some here SHOULD know Rex Dec 2012 #110

. riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #115

K&R. Absolutely agree with you. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #116

Adam Lanza had access to the best mental health treatment that money could buy... ellisonz Dec 2012 #120

Well Said. RedCappedBandit Dec 2012 #122

I really don't like the recent attempt to link Asperger's with violence. AngryOldDem Dec 2012 #123