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In reply to the discussion: When rights conflict [View all]

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
9. The right to dictate others' actions
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:27 AM
Dec 2012

Yet society is expected in many states to tolerate strangers walking around carrying guns. Society is expected to blindly trust that that person is responsible and won't cause any harm. Gun rights supporters are dictating to society that we must tolerate this, as there is no other choice other than never leaving your house.

Survivors and witnesses to mass shootings like this are going to feel terror every time they see someone with a gun, which is certainly a reasonable reaction given the circumstances. Why should these innocent victims constantly have to endure this? It's impossible to pursue happiness when you are subjected to fear constantly, and fear is a normal and natural reaction in this instance.

Someone being murdered is the end result all too frequently of those protected second amendment rights. The victim's right to life is not being protected. That's a conflict.

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When rights conflict [View all] AndyA Dec 2012 OP
Err on the side of society in this case. Hoyt Dec 2012 #1
This one has been nagging at me Lindsay Dec 2012 #2
I absolutely agree with you. marezdotes Dec 2012 #3
The crux of the matter and a powerful discussion that needs to happen. riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #4
I had hoped that some gun rights supporters would respond AndyA Dec 2012 #5
Me too. Honestly, I'm going to guess its because this argument really IS the toughie. riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #6
I asked the same question rbrnmw Dec 2012 #7
I don't see a conflict. X_Digger Dec 2012 #8
The right to dictate others' actions AndyA Dec 2012 #9
Restating your OP doesn't actually address what I said. X_Digger Dec 2012 #10
Your drunk driving example doesn't make sense AndyA Dec 2012 #12
It actually was apt- as long as the restaurant (and drivers) are following the law(s).. X_Digger Dec 2012 #13
I still see it as a conflict of rights AndyA Dec 2012 #14
If victims of gun violence didn't have their right to life protected, murder would be legal. n/t X_Digger Dec 2012 #17
Not good enough. AndyA Dec 2012 #18
The two aren't in conflict. X_Digger Dec 2012 #19
I think you've bought into the crazy gun culture in this country AndyA Dec 2012 #21
All rights represent some danger to society. Rights are dangerous things! X_Digger Dec 2012 #22
K&R. forestpath Dec 2012 #11
You are not wrong. 99Forever Dec 2012 #15
The right to bear arms is an antiquated notion. frustrated_lefty Dec 2012 #16
What would make each and every person in that resturant happy? rrneck Dec 2012 #20
Many people consider people brandishing guns to be a threat AndyA Dec 2012 #23
A holstered gun is not brandishing. rrneck Dec 2012 #24
It's not unreasonable to fear a stranger with a gun AndyA Dec 2012 #25
Attitudes may indeed change. rrneck Dec 2012 #27
Thank you for having this conversation in a respectful manner AndyA Dec 2012 #28
You're very welcome. And thank you. nt rrneck Dec 2012 #29
you are not wrong - these rights are inalienable DrDan Dec 2012 #26
How did Berserker Dec 2012 #30
I don't understand your questions. n/t AndyA Dec 2012 #31
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