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HiPointDem

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10. read the fine print:

Reply to Turborama (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:11 AM

Dec 2012

We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded.

in other words, if we select 'developed countries' (whatever that means, probably western europe and japan) and compare them to the us, there will be a strong relationship.

if we exclude the us (a big outlier), we either won't find a relationship, or won't find a strong relationship.

and if we include "non-developed countries" we won't find a relationship.

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Connecticut Shootings: The Lessons From Dunblane, Scotland - Where 16 Children Were Massacred In '96 [View all] Turborama Dec 2012 OP

Piers Morgan cites Dunblane as he lashes out at US gun control failure after Connecticut massacre Turborama Dec 2012 #1

and gun crime continued rising in the uk, reaching a high circa 2005, when it began to drop. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #2

or you can cover your ears RetroLounge Dec 2012 #3

i hear you perfectly well. yes, the uk tightened gun laws after the dunblane shooting. But it HiPointDem Dec 2012 #5

Terrific, cite one case from 2005 and then another arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #15

that's true. but uk had way lower rates of mass shootings than the us even before they HiPointDem Dec 2012 #16

Just because you can't prevent something 100% arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #17

How can you hear anything? RetroLounge Dec 2012 #18

Yes, I just saw this Tweet on the obama diary.. Cha Dec 2012 #4

but there *was* another mass shooting...2010 HiPointDem Dec 2012 #6

Derrick Bird FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2012 #7

the fact remains: at the time he did the shooting, the uk had among the tightest laws in the HiPointDem Dec 2012 #8

Where there are more guns there is more homicide Turborama Dec 2012 #9

read the fine print: HiPointDem Dec 2012 #10

Faulty analysis Turborama Dec 2012 #11

fact -- depending on how you select the data you analyse. if we compare the us & costa rica, HiPointDem Dec 2012 #12

Fact - You haven't provided one citation Turborama Dec 2012 #13

fact: i've provided lots of citations in other posts, like this one: HiPointDem Dec 2012 #14