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bettyellen

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71. I don't pretend to have answers, but right now anyone can buy anything if they cross a state line

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:42 AM

Dec 2012

and the NRA has been worked to make it faster and easier to get guns across the country. We need to limit it so felons and seriously sick individuals cannot buy them on a whim. I think licensing, more complicated back round checks, and tracking wold be a huge first step. We need to hold people responsible for keeping their guns safe and secure. Treat it as a responsibility, not just a right.

But republicans have worked to destroy mental health programs also. I know people here get upset that the NRA uses it as a deflection, but there needs to be much better outreach, support and treatment programs for those families and individuals who need it.

There are always going to be people who fall through the cracks, but right now it's everybody.

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Just a reminder: Most people with mental illness are NOT violent. [View all] cali Dec 2012 OP

Since mental illness has catagories... snooper2 Dec 2012 #1

I'm bipolar, and I think that shooters like this might be mentally ill but GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #5

Mass propaganda and brainwashing. Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #10

Yes, I think you are right. GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #11

Serial killers are usually sociopaths. white_wolf Dec 2012 #13

Yes, and I guess not all sociopaths and psychopaths become murderers either, based GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #15

No the majority don't. white_wolf Dec 2012 #16

Yes, I saw something about that on the show too, I think. What stuck with me most was the doctor who GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #17

Do you kill with a gun or do you kill with oil spills and chemical explosions? Kennah Dec 2012 #63

of course not. but psychopaths should be prohibited from owning guns. bettyellen Dec 2012 #86

I would not be surprised if we found that there are psychopaths GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #89

but this kid was a spree killer, not a serial killer. totally different phenomenon. bettyellen Dec 2012 #49

Very good point. Chemisse Dec 2012 #56

well spree killers are usually having a psychotic break that might have been prevented bettyellen Dec 2012 #60

So if we are to prevent some people from buying guns Chemisse Dec 2012 #69

I don't pretend to have answers, but right now anyone can buy anything if they cross a state line bettyellen Dec 2012 #71

In my state, people with serious mental health crises sit in ERs for days Chemisse Dec 2012 #82

my Mom was in a ER waiting room for over 36 hours after a car accident bettyellen Dec 2012 #85

That must have been a horrible ordeal. Chemisse Dec 2012 #87

when they released her, she was burning up with pneumonia.... bettyellen Dec 2012 #88

No, it wouldn't TygrBright Dec 2012 #28

Why does he have to be mentally ill to be evil? NRA_SUCKS Dec 2012 #42

Because it is inherently mentally unbalanced/ill to want to commit murders, mass or otherwise, 1monster Dec 2012 #51

I agree... it's simply it feels like we tend to dismiss anything from a "disturbed mind" NRA_SUCKS Dec 2012 #52

The simple answer is that that makes it easier for people to swallow. Posteritatis Dec 2012 #81

DURec leftstreet Dec 2012 #2

Kicking because many folks here are actively stigmatizing all mentally ill people slackmaster Dec 2012 #3

I don't think that is true. Live and Learn Dec 2012 #26

I see people trying to get people to understand the health care crises in regards to the mentally bettyellen Dec 2012 #50

Most of the mentally ill people I know are out rescuing abused animals from normal people Cetacea Dec 2012 #4

Mental illness varies greatly. Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #6

Exactly. HappyMe Dec 2012 #7

CORRECT Skittles Dec 2012 #8

Most people are not violent, but mentally ill people are just more unpredictable than those without Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #9

This is a very important thing to remember. FedUpWithIt All Dec 2012 #12

"A very small percentage" are violent. We need to protect them from violence. Look at the numbers: Cetacea Dec 2012 #32

People with some types of mental illness FedUpWithIt All Dec 2012 #39

Just a reminder: Most people that own guns are NOT violent. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #14

what a vapid little non-sequitur cali Dec 2012 #19

Uh, ok. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #24

+1 Go Vols Dec 2012 #22

THEY may pose no threat laundry_queen Dec 2012 #33

If that is what you need to tell yourself... cleanhippie Dec 2012 #54

They post a threat to everyone. laundry_queen Dec 2012 #61

Funny thing, statistics, show the opposite to be the case. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #73

There is a profound difference which you ignored. Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #37

Irrelevant. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #55

To the contrary it has everything to do with it. Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #58

+1000 nt laundry_queen Dec 2012 #62

Except that the vast number of people who own guns want something that is only meant to kill. originalpckelly Dec 2012 #68

Really? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #75

Violent Behavior and DSM-IV Psychiatric Disorders: Results from the National Epidemiologic Survey on FarCenter Dec 2012 #18

thank you for posting this nickinSTL Dec 2012 #20

There are two types of bi-polar disorder and has been broken down further into several groups FedUpWithIt All Dec 2012 #29

I don't doubt that nickinSTL Dec 2012 #31

It has been said that the shooter had a personality disorder pandr32 Dec 2012 #21

Yup. progressoid Dec 2012 #23

thanks for reminding all of us that, Cali Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2012 #25

This needs to be said over and over etherealtruth Dec 2012 #27

WHO was mentally ill? The mother OWNED the guns! janedum Dec 2012 #30

And who did she kill? nt Union Scribe Dec 2012 #46

Yes, and most gun owners don't commit crime UndahCovah Dec 2012 #34

Thanks you, cali. Scruffy Rumbler Dec 2012 #35

Amen laundry_queen Dec 2012 #36

During psychotic episodes, dinger130 Dec 2012 #38

I am sorry for your pain. FedUpWithIt All Dec 2012 #40

"REFORM MENTAL HEALTH IN THIS COUNTRY! REFORM THE GUN LAWS! " rainlillie Dec 2012 #66

It's said that the killer had Asperger's Syndrome. Rozlee Dec 2012 #41

thank you DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #57

And Einstein. Rozlee Dec 2012 #77

I read Asperger, Autism, and then "a form of Autism" Kennah Dec 2012 #64

It's considered an "autism spectrum disorder." Rozlee Dec 2012 #76

I'm not familiar with all the names you mentioned, Raksha Dec 2012 #70

ADD/ADHD is often mistakenly attributed to kids with Asperger's. Rozlee Dec 2012 #74

thank you! BainsBane Dec 2012 #43

no, we're not fizzgig Dec 2012 #44

Most people who are truly insane... Deep13 Dec 2012 #45

Good reminder. Thank you. nt Chorophyll Dec 2012 #47

My daughter (33) is bi-polar HockeyMom Dec 2012 #48

and? A good friend of mine is bi-polar. He's also a cali Dec 2012 #65

The word "never" doesn't appear in the OP. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #80

I haven't heard everything about the young man that perpetrated this horrible act..... ReRe Dec 2012 #53

But you don't know which ones ... oldhippie Dec 2012 #59

Of course they aren't Dorian Gray Dec 2012 #67

+10000. This creepy meme that's beginning to take hold that this shooting is about mental illness, riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #72

It's the same discussion that's popped up with every other mass shooting Posteritatis Dec 2012 #78

+1000 truebluegreen Dec 2012 #79

This article dropped like a stone yesterday, maybe better luck here? 5 myths on mass shootings riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #83

k&r excellent point nt steve2470 Dec 2012 #84