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69. MaddowBlog-Trump's pennies order adds to list of legally dubious power grabs
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 11:46 AM
Feb 2025

Even if Trump's position on pennies has merit, what matters most is his willingness to make unilateral policy declarations outside of his authority.

2/ “Trump’s pennies order adds to list of legally dubious power grabs

Even if Trump's position on pennies has merit, what matters most is his willingness to make unilateral policy declarations outside of his authority.”

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@GottaLaff (@gottalaff.bsky.social) 2025-02-10T14:54:15.919Z



https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-pennies-order-adds-list-legally-dubious-power-grabs-rcna191445

When Donald Trump swore an oath to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States,” perhaps he brushed past this detail. The Associated Press reported:

President Donald Trump says he has directed the Treasury Department to stop minting new pennies, citing the rising cost of producing the one-cent coin. ... Trump had not discussed his desire to eliminate the penny during his campaign. But Elon Musk’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency raised the prospect in a post on X last month highlighting the penny’s cost.


As the Republican left New Orleans after watching the first half of the Super Bowl, he wrote to his social media platform, “For far too long the United States has minted pennies which literally cost us more than 2 cents. This is so wasteful! I have instructed my Secretary of the US Treasury to stop producing new pennies. Let’s rip the waste out of our great nations [sic] budget, even if it’s a penny at a time.”......

But whether one supports or opposes sticking with the penny is separate from the question of governmental power. Penny critics have spent recent years pressing lawmakers on this for the most obvious of reasons: It’s up to Congress to make decisions about U.S. currencies.

Even if Trump’s underlying position has merit — and it very well might — what arguably matters most in a situation like this isn’t about pennies, as much as it’s about the president unilaterally making a policy declaration outside of his authority.

In other words, presidential power-grabs matter, even if they’re in pursuit of worthwhile policy goals.

A New York magazine report added, “Like so many other things Trump has said or tried to do since retaking office, it’s not clear if he can legally [order the Treasury to stop making pennies]. It would probably require an act of Congress to fully discontinue the coin, since Congress dictates America’s currency specifications. But as with so many other things, Trump may just try to do it anyway.”

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Guess he must be steaming mad after his team lost newdeal2 Feb 2025 #1
I thought an Eagle once tried to kill him in a photo-op. GreenWave Feb 2025 #59
hey! i agree with him on something! Takket Feb 2025 #2
Me too (shockingly)! Freddie Feb 2025 #6
Me too. He could also stop giving his billionaire buddies tax reductions and close some loopholes. nt Jit423 Feb 2025 #10
omigosh I just had the same thought, and then pnwest Feb 2025 #29
I Don't ProfessorGAC Feb 2025 #68
IKR!!!!! NT Happy Hoosier Feb 2025 #73
wow, if they're costing more than a cent to mint AkFemDem Feb 2025 #3
One Thing Forgotten ProfessorGAC Feb 2025 #66
much as I hate to say it .... stopdiggin Feb 2025 #4
This is fine with me. iemanja Feb 2025 #5
Broken clock and all that. Aristus Feb 2025 #7
I don't think shitehole can do that.................. Lovie777 Feb 2025 #8
Isn't that the Treasuries Dept. to make that call? sakabatou Feb 2025 #9
He directed "his" Secretary of the US Treasury. Not "the" or "our" but "his" and that bothers me. Deuxcents Feb 2025 #11
Everything in the world belongs to Trump. Irish_Dem Feb 2025 #51
I'm under the impression that pennies have cost more than PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2025 #12
That will automatically cause all prices to be rounded up to 5 cents If the price on an item doc03 Feb 2025 #13
Yep. You know some jagoff CFO will be bragging about this in an earnings call 6 months from now. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2025 #14
How will they do sales tax we have a 7% sales tax if you pay a dollar for something doc03 Feb 2025 #15
Legal rounding-off... but it would need to always be in the customer's favor. Oopsie Daisy Feb 2025 #47
Only if you pay cash canetoad Feb 2025 #17
I don't carry them around every few months a take my jar of coins to the doc03 Feb 2025 #18
You're probably right Captain Stern Feb 2025 #50
Australian currency canetoad Feb 2025 #16
Canada has $1 and $2 coins, and the smallest plastic note is $5 nt doc03 Feb 2025 #20
Very easy for Australia to do since you have a 10c and 20c coin. roamer65 Feb 2025 #21
1793-2025. roamer65 Feb 2025 #19
I bet if all the MAGA folks turned in their water cooler bottles Morbius Feb 2025 #27
I have to say, Abolishinist Feb 2025 #22
That actually makes sense Kaleva Feb 2025 #23
Pennies have been dumb for a long time Mountainguy Feb 2025 #24
Oddly enough, this may make cents. Jack Valentino Feb 2025 #25
We got rid of pennies in Canada and it was easy and all good. applegrove Feb 2025 #26
This is Trump's retaliation against Lincoln for freeing the slaves. LudwigPastorius Feb 2025 #28
He doesn't have the legal authority to do this as pennies are mandated by law. LonePirate Feb 2025 #30
The Secretary of the Treasury does have the power to tell the US Mint which coins to strike or none at all. roamer65 Feb 2025 #33
Mango Mussolini is such an ass Hekate Feb 2025 #31
Good. What a waste of money anymore. Melon Feb 2025 #32
Collect your pennies. They will soon be worth 15 cents each. Bluetus Feb 2025 #34
There's almost no copper in a penny. Morbius Feb 2025 #35
There are a few transitional error 1983 cents minted in 95 percent copper. roamer65 Feb 2025 #40
How many have you found? JoseBalow Feb 2025 #41
The 1983 errors are ultra rare. roamer65 Feb 2025 #42
Actually the "loss" on pennies is more than made up for DJ Synikus Makisimus Feb 2025 #36
I find pennies on the ground too. Dulcinea Feb 2025 #74
Maybe we should use more 2.00 bills.. Historic NY Feb 2025 #37
I always do when I'm in the States DFW Feb 2025 #38
I have a couple of those uncut full sheets Historic NY Feb 2025 #67
The BEP used to sell those on a regular basis. DFW Feb 2025 #71
If you want to get literal, funnily enough, he can save his breath. DFW Feb 2025 #39
Well, thank Jefferson for that! Morbius Feb 2025 #43
You inspired me to create my own original post! I just realized the "dollar" is Spanish. LeftInTX Feb 2025 #44
Canada did it years ago, I could never understand why we kept minting them yaesu Feb 2025 #45
This is a cost-cutting measure? OK, how much would we save? DFW Feb 2025 #46
So mint 2-cent coins ? Is that so hard ? eppur_se_muova Feb 2025 #48
Still looking for a 1909 S VDB Emile Feb 2025 #49
Which means state and/or city sale tax will rise. no_hypocrisy Feb 2025 #52
So, make 2 cent pennies. Problem solved. bucolic_frolic Feb 2025 #53
There is a problem though Blue Full Moon Feb 2025 #54
Another EO from the Emperor. This has been discussed for a long time, but it should be done through the Liberal In Texas Feb 2025 #55
I'm good with this. Groundhawg Feb 2025 #56
It takes an act of Congress to stop production of the penny LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2025 #57
+1 dalton99a Feb 2025 #61
There are still a lot of cash transactions that go on. Tommy Carcetti Feb 2025 #58
Hardly a new idea. It's been in discussions for decades... Wounded Bear Feb 2025 #60
Did he say actually that Anno 2525 Feb 2025 #62
hello KS Toronado Feb 2025 #63
ROFLMAO! William769 Feb 2025 #65
It doesn't bother you that he abused his power? GP6971 Feb 2025 #72
So we'll need a lot more nickels, which, btw are more expensive to make than pennies Jersey Devil Feb 2025 #64
MaddowBlog-Trump's pennies order adds to list of legally dubious power grabs LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2025 #69
West Wing Flashback-Elimination of the penny LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2025 #70
U.S. Mint: "We have not made a batch of pennies since April of 2023." LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2025 #75
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