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Cirsium

(3,943 posts)
63. You seem confused
Wed Feb 12, 2025, 07:30 PM
Feb 2025

Of course the Democratic administrations are better than the Republican administrations. No one here said otherwise. That's a pretty low bar. We hold the Democrats to a higher standard. The "two sides" are not equivalent, and your arguments here are yet another variation on the "both sides" crap we get from corporate media.

Yes, the Democrats try to build an apartment complex, and after obstruction and compromise we wind up with an outhouse. But, hey, "it's better than we would have gotten from a Republican admin!"

Meanwhile, Republicans set 100 apartment complexes on fire, and we put out half of the fires. Hooray! "Hey! Would you rather that all of them burned down? Is that what you want? Why are you criticizing our Democrats??"

Yes, we win more battles. That is because the Republicans cause more emergencies. But we are losing the war.

There is an important asymmetry between the two major political parties. The filibuster disproportionally disadvantages those with ambitious legislative agendas. It rewards the destroyers. It is easier to burn things down than it is to build things.

How a biased filibuster hurts Democrats more than Republicans

The standard case against filibuster reform has some force — Democrats paid a price during the Trump administration for their Obama-era decision to abolish the filibuster for lower-court judgeships — but it misses an important asymmetry between the two major political parties. Above and beyond its downsides for whichever party controls the Senate at a given time, the filibuster disproportionally disadvantages those with ambitious legislative agendas. And any way one measures it, the contemporary Democratic Party is more legislatively ambitious than the contemporary Republican Party.

In the late 20th and early 21st centuries, Congresses controlled by Democrats held more committee meetings, considered more bills and passed more bills than Congresses controlled by Republicans. Democratic presidents, moreover, generated significantly more policy proposals than their Republican counterparts.

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The “structural bias” of the filibuster against Democrats becomes even clearer, and more disconcerting, in comparative perspective. A supermajority requirement for the passage of ordinary legislation is not the norm either in U.S. state legislatures or in other countries’ national legislatures. And even without the filibuster, the U.S. lawmaking system already contains more veto points — more distinct phases when a bill’s progress can be halted — than that of any other advanced democracy. Different actors in four institutions (the House, Senate, executive branch, and Supreme Court) can effectively kill legislation. Yet whereas most of these other veto points are hard-wired into the Constitution, the filibuster can be changed by a simple Senate majority at any time.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/583180-how-a-biased-filibuster-hurts-democrats-more-than-republicans/


I suspect that what we are seeing on these threads is advocacy for moderate or even conservative political positions, and attacks on progressives, disguised as party loyalty.

Party leadership does respond to pressure, all of the time. The only question is pressure from whom and pressure to move in which direction. Some on these threads argue against those rank and file Democrats bringing pressure to bear on the leadership, implying that they are being disloyal or counterproductive.

Should we just leave it to the wealthy donors and corporate lobbyists to pressure the Democratic party leadership?

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Absolutely, to me the choice is simple. It's like are you on the side of the United States or on the side of Hitler? Walleye Feb 2025 #1
Thanks, I remember taking shit for comparing him to Hitler also Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #2
There are still people around who remember Hitler, we should listen to them because they are saying the same Walleye Feb 2025 #10
I'm on Bluesky summer_in_TX Feb 2025 #31
Thank you Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #51
Confessions of a Clinton reporter: The media's 5 unspoken rules for covering Hillary tblue37 Feb 2025 #60
Undoubtedly that media atmosphere shaped my perceptions too. summer_in_TX Feb 2025 #85
I've always thought ... Dave says Feb 2025 #61
Yes it was. LisaM Feb 2025 #93
"you know you're right" HAB911 Feb 2025 #3
You were right about 2016. Bashing of Clinton right up to election by Democrats (including elected Dems) gave us trump. Silent Type Feb 2025 #4
Was just looking at Trae Crowder's YouTube and he's reporting Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #6
Losing my love for the United States. I'm like a Catholic, losing their faith in God. Devastating. Walleye Feb 2025 #11
And I hope everyone understands that the free world sees us as the enemy now Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #13
I know, I'm heartsick about that.People who now say they are proud to be. American must be proud to be loudmouth bullies Walleye Feb 2025 #14
There's probably a lot of that going around. calimary Feb 2025 #39
Its not True Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #16
There's a recent CBS poll that shows him at 53% that a lot of people are referencing, but that's just CBS. CrispyQ Feb 2025 #28
Sue CBS for $20 billion! rubbersole Feb 2025 #30
The pollster was actually YouGov which is usually pretty reliable Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #47
Trump's Approval Rating Baron2024 Feb 2025 #23
Here Is A Link To An Article About Trump's Poll Ratings Baron2024 Feb 2025 #24
Good article! Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #45
Yes, tRump may be doing well "only among hardliners", robbob Feb 2025 #50
It's damn discouraging, that's for sure. I keep hoping he will go too far and they will finally awake from their stupor Joinfortmill Feb 2025 #35
I think Musk's kiddie-hackers are playing with the "ratings" apps FakeNoose Feb 2025 #49
The irrational hate for Hillary actually led to a split off from DU DFW Feb 2025 #46
+1. Considering the vote was so close in battle ground states, I'm sure that's why we got trump. Silent Type Feb 2025 #48
Splinter is where I go to see what the nutty JPR-type airheads are up to. betsuni Feb 2025 #91
I think I understand... OneGrassRoot Feb 2025 #5
I don't disagree with what you said, and I'm not watching the news so I do Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #7
Like you, I started warning people in 2015... OneGrassRoot Feb 2025 #9
The truth is if our leaders and the non-maga's among us don't start reacting to this Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #12
Kinda like climate change... Easterncedar Feb 2025 #92
Yes. :( n/t OneGrassRoot Feb 2025 #96
"somehow when the GOP is in the minority they manage to shut all progress down" Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #17
Seems to me they always fail. I'd also like an example of shutting all progress down when in minority. betsuni Feb 2025 #20
The one previous example I got when asking someone Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #27
Republican obstructionism Cirsium Feb 2025 #33
This is excellent and I applaud you for it. But, folks that are always critiquing or demanding links.. Joinfortmill Feb 2025 #36
Wow, thank you for your labor here. n/t OneGrassRoot Feb 2025 #40
Try again Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #43
You seem confused Cirsium Feb 2025 #63
🙄😒 Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #66
That is OK Cirsium Feb 2025 #67
Once again, your input is appreciated... OneGrassRoot Feb 2025 #68
Thanks Cirsium Feb 2025 #74
Presidents Obama and Biden had two years, then Rs were in the MAJORITY controlling Congress the rest of their terms. betsuni Feb 2025 #89
Outrageous Cirsium Feb 2025 #97
Plus there's always the Manchins and Liebermans and Sinemas. nt. druidity33 Feb 2025 #90
Right. I heard someone offer an observation - yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #64
My observation: DENVERPOPS Feb 2025 #95
Good to see you, Elliot! herding cats Feb 2025 #8
You were right, and I agree with you. brer cat Feb 2025 #15
I've had comments removed by the mods for similar reasons. Woodycall Feb 2025 #18
I want that too, it just pisses me off when I think back to how many objected to the truth, even here. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #54
I could've written this EXACT same thing word for word... B.See Feb 2025 #19
Never had an argument about what you said... MiHale Feb 2025 #21
Thank you Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #55
You were right Cirsium Feb 2025 #22
Thank you Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #58
A couple of weeks ago someone complained there were too many "the sky is falling" comments. sop Feb 2025 #25
Good thing I did NOT see that or I would NOT be posting now... Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #56
Yes. And I was one of the ones who was posting "the sky is falling" yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #65
Yes indeed and sadly when trying to get people to moniss Feb 2025 #26
There are two sides and one is going to kill you mcar Feb 2025 #29
I LOVE you for this Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #57
Same here Eliot mcar Feb 2025 #80
Well, DV1 Feb 2025 #32
I'm with you. Dems are not the enemy. Trump and his cabal are the enemy. Joinfortmill Feb 2025 #34
Post removed Post removed Feb 2025 #37
Having a bad day? Lulu KC Feb 2025 #41
What did it say? Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #52
Good that you didn't see it Lulu KC Feb 2025 #53
I really am curious what it said, I often tell people it is NOT safe here, that maga are DANGEROUS Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #59
Post removed Post removed Feb 2025 #70
Enjoy your stay!! GP6971 Feb 2025 #72
You seem nice Stinky The Clown Feb 2025 #75
someone PLEASE tell me what they are saying, I consider myself UNSAFE here and I want to know Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #76
I will send it to you by mail. Maru Kitteh Feb 2025 #77
Thank you, it did two of them I guess. They are very dangerous. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #79
Post removed Post removed Feb 2025 #83
Back again I see. GP6971 Feb 2025 #84
I am clearly in danger, maybe others here are as well. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #87
Thanks, got it...so this person is one of those who either did NOT vote for Hillary or said they would Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #81
He's ba-a-ack Lulu KC Feb 2025 #71
What a PITA GP6971 Feb 2025 #73
troll alert. Lunabell Feb 2025 #42
That was disgusting. sheshe2 Feb 2025 #44
Thank you. Keep trying. Trust_Reality Feb 2025 #38
I am one of the ones on this forum who has been disappointed in the response from Jeffries and Schumer. yellow dahlia Feb 2025 #62
The "god" comment sends me thru the roof...good thing I am completely disengaged and dont see Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #78
Fuller quote Easterncedar Feb 2025 #94
Thank you for the full quote, excellent actually. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #98
Waving back atcha! Easterncedar Feb 2025 #100
Unthinking adoration doesn't help HereForTheParty Feb 2025 #69
I'm not passive about my politics. Duncan Grant Feb 2025 #82
Post removed Post removed Feb 2025 #86
Right after the Felon in Chief was elected the first time, Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2025 #88
And in reality what he wants to do is simply steal all the money, Eliot Rosewater Feb 2025 #99
One can only hope that his greed, the wish to be the richest in the world ... usonian Feb 2025 #101
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