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Martin Eden

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66. Wisdom is relative. Pelosi ranks high among Democratic House leaders.

Fri Feb 14, 2025, 12:37 PM

Feb 2025

Say what you will about her (I was also furious she announced war criminal Bush would not be impeached) Pelosi has proven to be a very savvy political operator. It was likely wise politically to focus on what could be accomplished with the Democratic House majority than become embroiled in an impeachment attempt doomed to failure in the Senate.

Independent of what Dem leadership strategized regarding Biden's 2024 campaign after the debate, I personally thought he would lose to Trump from that pont on. But as I stated before, we can never know with certainty what would have happened if he wasn't replaced or hadn't run for a 2nd term.

We have enough difficulties right now charting a path forward. Our Constitutional democracy hangs in the balance.

Peace,
Martin

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President Biden was dumped for no reason [View all] EnergizedLib Feb 2025 OP

Inflation may have been an out of control problem. Omnipresent Feb 2025 #1

the "open borders" was mostly bs anyway rampartd Feb 2025 #4

Border crossings were not bs, tho. Self Esteem Feb 2025 #61

Illegal immigration had been down during Biden's term and arrests were up. travelingthrulife Feb 2025 #67

This just isn't true. Self Esteem Feb 2025 #71

There is a huge difference in "border crossings" and total undocumented living here. Border crossings were down under B Jit423 Feb 2025 #81

Border crossings and undocumented people living here were both up under Biden. Self Esteem Feb 2025 #105

Most undocumented in U.S don't come across southern border TimeToGo Feb 2025 #116

Irrelevant to my point. Border crossings and those living here illegally were up under Biden. Self Esteem Feb 2025 #137

The # of apprehensions reflects the PERCENTAGE of people arrested, not simply spooky3 Feb 2025 #115

This is just not true. pinkstarburst Feb 2025 #92

Then why did Trump sabotaged the bipartisan bill Owens Feb 2025 #103

If it was going to be such a win for Democrats, why didn't Biden do it when he had both the House and Senate? Self Esteem Feb 2025 #138

Apprehensions are not "crossings". eom PAMod Feb 2025 #114

Apprehensions are not arrests either MichMan Feb 2025 #124

I think Dems fatal flaw is that they give people too much credit for being decent. Trueblue Texan Feb 2025 #10

Stop wearing boxing gloves to a knife fight.(NT) The Wizard Feb 2025 #17

Your first sentence is a badge of honor. rubbersole Feb 2025 #30

"Biden Old" Should Have Been "Putin's Puppet Steals and Sells Nation's Secrets." The_Counsel Feb 2025 #58

Good way to go extinct as a party in the current landscape. BannonsLiver Feb 2025 #140

The gender issue is still a big factor. We're one of the few G-7 or G-20 nations never to have a woman pres/pm. brush Feb 2025 #56

I'm thinking the recent inflation uptick is cos "Tariffs". mwooldri Feb 2025 #83

The people who fall for the con MadameButterfly Feb 2025 #2

Don't waste your time. Hate is what drives them. Meadowoak Feb 2025 #5

They love their hate Seinan Sensei Feb 2025 #48

Thats true of many of them but MadameButterfly Feb 2025 #84

They preface it with "I'm not political" in an effort to pretend Bettie Feb 2025 #23

Your words are very true. In the past "Internet Years", I've tried to understand... chouchou Feb 2025 #25

You CAN'T reach them. They are lost, completely lost. valleyrogue Feb 2025 #59

As for the people we should be trying to reach MadameButterfly Feb 2025 #86

You are correct, by and large h2ebits Feb 2025 #79

Exactly Cosmocat Feb 2025 #3

They sold America out EnergizedLib Feb 2025 #7

They sold out their country for a red hat. mtngirl47 Feb 2025 #13

They wanted trans-women banned from sports Johonny Feb 2025 #44

And now, all those white women are discovering Bettie Feb 2025 #80

if "they" could watch both men on a debate stage and not conclude that 1 of them was stark raving mad rampartd Feb 2025 #8

Nicolle Wallace and Claire McCaskill come to mind. yorkster Feb 2025 #28

Pres Biden shouldve kept to his 2020 prediction & we shouldve had a real primary. Callie1979 Feb 2025 #6

What difference would it make ? JI7 Feb 2025 #11

I doubt Harris would have won the primary, but whoever won would have been ELECTED Martin Eden Feb 2025 #14

I do not agree, Butterflylady Feb 2025 #20

I sincerely doubt Musk would swing the election to Trump in a scenario with an open Dem primary Martin Eden Feb 2025 #37

Nancy Pelosi is not wise. The others are not wise. suegeo Feb 2025 #60

Wisdom is relative. Pelosi ranks high among Democratic House leaders. Martin Eden Feb 2025 #66

Pelosi said with great certainty in an interview a few days before the election that we would win the house. Intractable Feb 2025 #95

Well said & accurate. Callie1979 Feb 2025 #65

You're probably correct Martin Eden Feb 2025 #70

Kamala absolutely would have won. W_HAMILTON Feb 2025 #85

So then, any discussion of what went wrong or could have done differently is a "pout"? Martin Eden Feb 2025 #97

+1 Yorkie Mom Feb 2025 #117

She won her debate. Biden did horribly. Thats why he left. She was hamstrung from the jump Callie1979 Feb 2025 #24

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Transitional didn't necessarily mean 1 term ITAL Feb 2025 #69

The definition is literally passage or change from one state to another. Callie1979 Feb 2025 #126

Well ITAL Feb 2025 #127

I agree with this pinkstarburst Feb 2025 #94

The election was stolen, gab13by13 Feb 2025 #9

And I fear future ones will be too. Scrivener7 Feb 2025 #12

Of course they will Bettie Feb 2025 #26

I have no doubt Scubamatt Feb 2025 #39

The vote was hacked. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2025 #19

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The media stuck it to Biden while not reporting the bullshit from Trump. Was is fear or the plan? twodogsbarking Feb 2025 #15

It was about viewership Seinan Sensei Feb 2025 #50

Indeed. It's all about the "likes". twodogsbarking Feb 2025 #64

The bigotry is strong, and The Wizard Feb 2025 #16

Donald consistently campaigned on increasing prices IronLionZion Feb 2025 #18

It shows you how small they really are EnergizedLib Feb 2025 #22

I know, right. peacebuzzard Feb 2025 #21

He should have distanced himself from Bibi ... LSparkle Feb 2025 #27

"We finally beat Medicare!" Jose Garcia Feb 2025 #29

Trump said and did things that were bat shit insane Keepthesoulalive Feb 2025 #32

Trump looked unhinged but that's his bread and butter. Self Esteem Feb 2025 #62

Biden did not run for president Keepthesoulalive Feb 2025 #72

We're talking about Biden when he was running for president. Self Esteem Feb 2025 #73

I as many other Americans did not watch the debate Keepthesoulalive Feb 2025 #74

Yes. Just like a lot of people who didn't watch the Harris-Trump debate heard about Trump's craziness. Self Esteem Feb 2025 #106

Put the blame where it belongs . Rich people bought this election. Keepthesoulalive Feb 2025 #110

And look at the nonsense we have now EnergizedLib Feb 2025 #35

Only the rich DownriverDem Feb 2025 #31

President Biden was forced out PennRalphie Feb 2025 #34

I agree with this post 100% True Blue American Feb 2025 #120

The main reason Harris lost she is a woman of mixed race. Then the issues doc03 Feb 2025 #36

And inflation hasn't been fixed EnergizedLib Feb 2025 #38

When asked the question about what she would do different than Biden, she said "nothing" MichMan Feb 2025 #77

She ran on turning the page and change Melon Feb 2025 #121

All she had to say was GusBob Feb 2025 #123

Unfortunately DENVERPOPS Feb 2025 #91

He was dumped because of a consorted effort by the MSM to push him out. Anyone who viewed the media circus JohnSJ Feb 2025 #40

It was never the price of eggs. GoYouPackersGo Feb 2025 #41

Bull Raven123 Feb 2025 #42

It wouldn't have mattered who ran Mr.Bee Feb 2025 #43

The propaganda fed to the Palestinian supporters IS THE REASON we lost this election wolfie001 Feb 2025 #45

I thought it was the majority of white people who voted for BaronChocula Feb 2025 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author wolfie001 Feb 2025 #98

I did say, "Too many racist dumbasses here in the US" wolfie001 Feb 2025 #100

Imagine the reaction if Biden had spent 40 minutes Orange Buffoon Feb 2025 #46

Considering my love of '60s music EnergizedLib Feb 2025 #49

He was dumped for a very specific reason. He was about to get his ass handed to him. Iggo Feb 2025 #47

It was that terrible moment during the debate when Biden seemed lost and even Trump did a double take. CTyankee Feb 2025 #90

I too thought she was great and was certain that she would carry it. harumph Feb 2025 #104

Dead internet (de)bait. ThreeNoSeep Feb 2025 #51

Post removed Post removed Feb 2025 #52

I mean, from a policy standpoint EnergizedLib Feb 2025 #55

There were many reasons Bluetus Feb 2025 #54

Thread winner imwo. Boomerproud Feb 2025 #57

Gaza was devastating. Self Esteem Feb 2025 #63

But we need to be clear. Gaza didn't just happen. Bluetus Feb 2025 #78

If Biden would've done #1 on your list he Harris would lost by more standingtall Feb 2025 #118

I was about to respond to your headline , but then realized Bluetus Feb 2025 #130

Damn Bluetus GusBob Feb 2025 #125

But Biden was losing every swing state... GreenWave Feb 2025 #68

Well, the establishment went into panic mode and came up with reasons Patton French Feb 2025 #75

Videos like this had voters question Biden's fitness to lead and fed Republicans' narrative of Biden DSandra Feb 2025 #82

Well, we have plastic straws back at least. KPN Feb 2025 #87

He was dumped because a right wing entertainment propaganda outlet appointed itself the 4th branch of the government. Initech Feb 2025 #88

Also, you notice that the big name celebrities Bettie Feb 2025 #101

Much inclined to agree... GoldenMezzoDiva Feb 2025 #89

precisely... B.See Feb 2025 #93

That's simply not true oldmanlynn Feb 2025 #96

America has a problem understanding the 'D' in DEI. Aussie105 Feb 2025 #99

Gas is up .50 a gallon since Scump's orange carcass rolled into town Hassler Feb 2025 #102

Hasn't changed around here MichMan Feb 2025 #108

Not really FBaggins Feb 2025 #111

Is this revisiting the reasons why Trump is now in the White House doing anyone any good? Aussie105 Feb 2025 #107

Not a bit FBaggins Feb 2025 #112

Border Schmorder. That issue is pure racism. usonian Feb 2025 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Feb 2025 #113

Some of what you said makes sense but wishing for half our country to suffer wont get us anywhere mahina Feb 2025 #119

I have no interest in liking terrible people EnergizedLib Feb 2025 #122

Hating and wishing people to suffer is a different thing mahina Feb 2025 #128

Respectfully, I do not care EnergizedLib Feb 2025 #131

How do you imagine you will persuade them to join you to overcome this dictatorship? Or do you think we can do that mahina Feb 2025 #132

How did trying to branch out to Republicans work in November? EnergizedLib Feb 2025 #133

Sometimes it works, sometimes it takes a while. How do you think we are going to win without others? How did that work mahina Feb 2025 #135

That's your prerogative EnergizedLib Feb 2025 #136

The whole country is going to suffer, whether we want it or not. LisaL Feb 2025 #134

Trump won because of the stupid and the disinterested. flvegan Feb 2025 #129

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