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MichiganVote

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1. Sorry, guns and children do not mix anywhere at anytime.

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:16 PM

Dec 2012

Better security, yes. Its needed. Not every school has a buzzer and no school should have windows next to the door. But in reality, more guns will not stop fatalities in a school environment.

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It is time for ARMED security in every school in this country! [View all] JohLast Dec 2012 OP

Sorry, guns and children do not mix anywhere at anytime. MichiganVote Dec 2012 #1

Yeah, THINK of the crossfire! Warpy Dec 2012 #2

Yep. Let's have MOAR GUNZ around our children. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #3

Go away. We've got enough gun porn lovers here. nt sufrommich Dec 2012 #4

You know, I am not sure we shouldn't at least talk about this. renie408 Dec 2012 #5

It's different in elementary schools, the kids go sufrommich Dec 2012 #10

I thought the question was whether or not to have a police officer assigned to schools. renie408 Dec 2012 #35

My point is that an armed security guard gives people a false sufrommich Dec 2012 #47

You'll be called every name in the book, as you see... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #98

Right, we can add cops to the schools and its free and the GOP will support it. JoePhilly Dec 2012 #6

You're wrong there, I believe. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #58

NO MORE FUCKING GUNS we can do it Dec 2012 #7

I don't mind licensed security guards having guns democrattotheend Dec 2012 #17

Not in school. we can do it Dec 2012 #102

What stopped him from shooting even more? AlexSatan Dec 2012 #116

you have a magic spell to make them all disappear? snooper2 Dec 2012 #91

Another to the ignore list we can do it Dec 2012 #104

ROFL, I don't even have a gun anymore snooper2 Dec 2012 #107

$6.5 billion XemaSab Dec 2012 #8

$50K W-2 is closer to $120K in cost ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #25

My point still stands XemaSab Dec 2012 #33

Actually it is enhanced ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #44

I can think of a lot worse ways to spend $6.5B than protecting our innocent children. ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #36

Yes. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #100

No it isn't, don't be stupid. flvegan Dec 2012 #9

"You use the word "I" an awful lot, together with "my" " JohLast Dec 2012 #21

Sigh. flvegan Dec 2012 #51

It's not about me, it is about "my" grandkids security. JohLast Dec 2012 #81

If your objective is to kill more children, there are simpler ways. baldguy Dec 2012 #11

So the only solution is something that is basically impossible to accomplish? n/t ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #39

The expense would be absolutely crushing. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #12

Deterrent factor could be enough actually to prevent most shootings... Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #46

Do you really think all the airport security has deterred a single al Quaida attack?? That coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #87

I don't know and neither do you. Nt Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #94

Many schools already have them AlexSatan Dec 2012 #117

"The expense would be absolutely crushing." Ganja Ninja Dec 2012 #132

I'm still not convinced this is such a great idea. But if it were to be done, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #133

Stupid, stupid idea Marrah_G Dec 2012 #13

Say what you want, JohLast Dec 2012 #18

I agree we have millions of people out of work and I am sure there are plenty that could be doc03 Dec 2012 #14

I agree Berserker Dec 2012 #15

cool story, bro cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #16

And then when the shooters move to libraries, bus stops, banks, marybourg Dec 2012 #19

Libraries, museums, supermarkets, hospitals already have armed security. What is your point? JohLast Dec 2012 #22

Not where I live they don't. marybourg Dec 2012 #23

I have never seen an armed security guard in any of those places. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #29

Lets see. JohLast Dec 2012 #42

Wow. I can honestly say I've never seen a security guard, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #62

Not sure which side of the river you are on sarisataka Dec 2012 #64

Southwest Minneapolis. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #65

My wife's home neighborhood sarisataka Dec 2012 #69

Hard to imagine armed security The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #74

I can just picture that sarisataka Dec 2012 #75

Our school had an armed LEO, who was on campus Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #106

A grocery store robbery in St. Paul just this morning! The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #123

People are killed in hospitals by armed individuals REGULARLY rustydog Dec 2012 #56

+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - Well put and definitely coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #89

You should step away from the bong now. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #61

This is the best argument AlexSatan Dec 2012 #118

We have armed police officers in police stations all over the country and officers rustydog Dec 2012 #20

This have happen what - once, wow that is a good reason to NOT protect out kids. JohLast Dec 2012 #26

Putting guns in thehands of untrained teachers is NOT protecting our children! rustydog Dec 2012 #59

Armed security, bullet-proof glass and other procedures cost money and.. Tikki Dec 2012 #24

We'll get rid of all the blood-sucking union-loving teachers and replace them marybourg Dec 2012 #52

I already have seen problems with LEOs in schools becoming the biggest bullies ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #27

You are right, the police is the problem - wow. JohLast Dec 2012 #28

The solution might just be a mixture of things. An armed officer might be a deterrent. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #43

Please see #98. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #109

Is this thread an omen of things to come? sarisataka Dec 2012 #30

The momentum will fracture over differing proposed solutions as we see here ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #34

Military screening reteachinwi Dec 2012 #111

I do sarisataka Dec 2012 #114

Thanks reteachinwi Dec 2012 #115

I may be proRKBA sarisataka Dec 2012 #121

Wow, I LIKE that! Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #119

I hope it helps sarisataka Dec 2012 #122

We solve the crises of unregulated guns by making schools into fortresses? Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #31

And what if we don't get strong gun control laws?? I am a teacher. I want my students safe. adigal Dec 2012 #92

All of us want students (and their educators) safe. I think there is a legitimate coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #93

I agree with you about the chaos, which is why I think it is laughable adigal Dec 2012 #103

Would you also have armed guards at every day school, summer camp, Big Blue Marble Dec 2012 #32

"Killers with guns will find the eastiest targets" You are right! JohLast Dec 2012 #38

It was not the school that was the target. Big Blue Marble Dec 2012 #55

Also armed playgrounds, parks, supermarkets, malls, libraries and yogurt stands! nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #37

Been to Israel? ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #41

I was at first appalled by your OP. But, thinking of it as a deterrent, it might work. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #40

There you go again Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #70

Please check #98.... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #110

Oh, I can just imagine what the wingnuts would say about THAT! I can hear it now. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #125

Don't be silly. Why must society continue to coddle gun fetishists? PSPS Dec 2012 #45

That is fucking stupid. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #48

It could be a short term solution, but long term we need to change the mentality in RKP5637 Dec 2012 #49

I agree with you about changing mentality. But it's highly unpopular on DU to say that. KittyWampus Dec 2012 #90

Mass shooters normally kill themselves when met with any resistance at all. frank380 Dec 2012 #50

I don't see the problem with having an armed security guard at schools. My Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #53

Let's not stop there, Hoss! R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #54

and mall, and movie theater, and outside the schools, and playgrounds, and.... well.... Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #57

What's not to love about this plan? Fortress America! Fuck Yeah!! R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #63

Aren't these the same people who are worried about the black helicopters? Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #66

Either that or a sane America. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #67

The middle school I attended had an armed school resource officer Carnage251 Dec 2012 #60

So did my junior high school MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #76

+1. Your post should win DU's Award for Dry Understatement of the Week, I think - n/t coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #96

No, it's time to lock up the gun nuts for life. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #68

As someone else posted elsewhere, recall the Fort Hood shootings Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #71

No one on base was armed, but the security guards at the gates. JohLast Dec 2012 #77

So you're telling me that on a base where most people were trained in handling weapons Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #129

+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - n/t coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #97

So should we also have guard towers at malls? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #72

We do have armed guards at hospitals and cinema's. JohLast Dec 2012 #78

We do? And I live at a large city nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #83

i don't think an armed guard is any deterrent to a guy with body armor and machine guns? spanone Dec 2012 #73

You're nuts... Ellipsis Dec 2012 #79

Newp, sorry LittleBlue Dec 2012 #80

A rent-a-cop with a pea shooter is not going to stop a lunatic in kevlar armed with a small arsonal. bklyncowgirl Dec 2012 #82

Cool, more bullets flying and every security guard will be another corpse RomneyLies Dec 2012 #84

I never thought I would agree with this, but if we do nothing about gun control adigal Dec 2012 #85

Should we 'game' out your suggestion to its hypothetical close in the case coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #86

Why stop there? Why not at the mall? Why not at the resturant? The hospital? The pharmacy...? Earth_First Dec 2012 #88

Yeah? And what about gun control? Marr Dec 2012 #95

24 posts and you already spew insane NRA-sponsored BS...nice joeybee12 Dec 2012 #99

Absurd idea I'd expect to hear from the NRA Auggie Dec 2012 #101

And how much will THAT cost? louis-t Dec 2012 #105

I grew up... LP2K12 Dec 2012 #108

And so we become one great big fortress tblue Dec 2012 #112

Sure because being trained with firearm helped these guys. The Midway Rebel Dec 2012 #113

I sadly agree. But it's not a school district cost. It's a new Gun Management federal program libdem4life Dec 2012 #120

We are laying off teachers, increasing class sizes, eliminating music and art PA Democrat Dec 2012 #124

A jury voted 3-3 to leave this trollery alone. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #126

Yes - because Americans are so eager to fund schools. liberalmuse Dec 2012 #127

Till they get bored quakerboy Dec 2012 #128

It's a good start JoeyTheWhack Dec 2012 #130

I don't think this idea should be dismissed so easily. Ganja Ninja Dec 2012 #131