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Igel

(37,541 posts)
42. What you call it can matter.
Sun Feb 23, 2025, 07:29 PM
Feb 2025

If it's a "miscount," then recounting by itself is the fix.

If it's "misplaced ballots", then recounting over and over until the paper itself disintegrates won't catch the problem because it's not an erroneous count but completing the initial count that's the problem.

Mislabeling the problem leads to proposing the wrong solution and results from mis-identifying the problem. When I worked polls in west New York state it was clear that we counted the votes by race at our polling place, 1 (R) and 1 (D) doing the reading out of the machine's results and another set of 1 (R) and 1 (D) writing them down. Each set of partisans verified that the read-out was correct and the jotting down was correct. We sealed the equipment--again, with a partisan balance between sealers and witnesses. One copy of the prelim results was posted on the polling place door before we left that night, another was hand carried to the elections office that night. The machines were transported to the office and the official audit was taken--again, multiple people verifying the accuracy of the read-out and of the transcription; the precinct-level results from the official audit were compared with the prelim results. Any discrepancy had to be accounted for--they'd first look at the poll books (this was 20 years back) to verify that the number of people who voted was correct per the machines, then they'd contact the poll workers at issue to resolve discrepancies.

It was hard for an erroneous number to slip through. That's the checks and audits. Multiple redundancies. Recounts ... They're to catch initial counting errors, nothing more.

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We don't even have time enough to vote. yourout Feb 2025 #1
Yes keepthemhonestO Feb 2025 #3
Maybe Rebl2 Feb 2025 #22
And now that DENVERPOPS Feb 2025 #26
Better yet, 100% mail-in voting. OMGWTF Feb 2025 #31
If we don't stop them, Elon's AI will be counting them Nictuku Feb 2025 #2
Correct keepthemhonestO Feb 2025 #4
AI counting? Aussie105 Feb 2025 #6
Exactly keepthemhonestO Feb 2025 #8
Yes. AI *LIES* We know this. Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #23
Can't happen here. Musk and the tech billionaires can't rig elections with hand count ballots. Irish_Dem Feb 2025 #5
I'm optimistic keepthemhonestO Feb 2025 #9
I sincerely hope you are correct. Irish_Dem Feb 2025 #10
Me, too. Silver Gaia Feb 2025 #24
They one had one race to vote on didn't they? rurallib Feb 2025 #7
I don't know keepthemhonestO Feb 2025 #12
They counted primary ballots by hand. Now a Texas county Republican party says they found errors. LeftInTX Feb 2025 #20
And this is when the SCOTUS stepped in to decide the race for us. slightlv Feb 2025 #36
the grim reality is that many voters have no clue at all what is going on cadoman Feb 2025 #48
Election conspiracy theories fueled a push to hand-count votes, but doing so is risky and slow LeftInTX Feb 2025 #21
Why would anyone want to count the entire county at once? questionseverything Feb 2025 #32
That's what they did. They only have 13 precincts. LeftInTX Feb 2025 #34
Aren't " county wide votes " reported precinct by precinct or not? questionseverything Feb 2025 #38
In my county, the precinct is determined by the ballot, not the location where it is cast. LeftInTX Feb 2025 #41
Yeah, but think it through. Igel Feb 2025 #37
Our elections are much more complicated than Germany's. Ocelot II Feb 2025 #11
When we get to the point of remaking the government once again, slightlv Feb 2025 #40
Article I of the Constitution gave the states the responsibility of overseeing the elections Ocelot II Feb 2025 #44
You're correct, of course, about Article I of the Constitution. slightlv Feb 2025 #46
One thing that definitely has to be Blue_Roses Feb 2025 #49
The people will decide Tickle Feb 2025 #50
That's how we ended up with Blue_Roses Feb 2025 #51
The fact that the population of Germany is about 1/4 that of the US might be a factor.... Sogo Feb 2025 #13
Ballots get counted at the precinct level, how big the entire country is has no barring questionseverything Feb 2025 #15
It's the ballots themselves. If you have one race, it's not so hard. LeftInTX Feb 2025 #18
No its not a factor. drray23 Feb 2025 #30
It's our ballot size. 30 races versus 2. LeftInTX Feb 2025 #33
This place reads like FR Mountainguy Feb 2025 #14
When Georgia's ballots were recounted many thousands of ballots were found questionseverything Feb 2025 #16
Those werent miscounts Mountainguy Feb 2025 #28
Whatever you want to call it, the first released totals were incorrect questionseverything Feb 2025 #29
What you call it can matter. Igel Feb 2025 #42
The people overseeing Mountainguy Feb 2025 #43
Facts about Germany's elections Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #17
Additional Facts on Germany Elections Wiz Imp Feb 2025 #19
Exactly. Our county would likely need to employ 50,000 people to accurately count votes! LeftInTX Feb 2025 #27
Gerrymandering doesn't matter for US presidential and Senate elections, either. n/t Igel Feb 2025 #45
Germany must desire fair elections. If our politicians really wanted fair elections, we would have them. Magoo48 Feb 2025 #25
Poll worker here: hand counting would be disatrous Wild blueberry Feb 2025 #35
That's actually pretty fast! LeftInTX Feb 2025 #39
Things were "off" and tallies weren't matching because hand counting is inaccurate and prone to mistakes MichMan Feb 2025 #52
That's because Germany organizes their elections differently: DetlefK Feb 2025 #47
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