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B Stieg

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69. The problem is that...

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:15 AM

Dec 2012

you see a need to own a gun. The choice implies a certain misprision regarding how much control you have in this particular universe. Guns are simply too dangerous to allow in a civilian context.

As for the NRA, it is a lobbying group that has little serious engagement with the real issues surrounding guns. In other words, they are a proganda wing, so why engage them? Like the tax ideologues in the Congress, they are not interested in the give-and-take of discourse except as a rationalization for the continued presentation of what is an a paranoid, anacronistic perspective built on pure fear. If you want sportsmanship, learn to run distance.

Don't talk to me about free speech when what you do can too easily cost lives. Words rarely kill; bullets often do.

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Say NO to the "Petition to Forbid Support of the NRA on this Site." Here is why: [View all] RBInMaine Dec 2012 OP

DIVERSE does not mean enabling murder Skittles Dec 2012 #1

Hyperbole much? letemrot Dec 2012 #2

Not hyperbole. baldguy Dec 2012 #24

What have YOU done? randome Dec 2012 #33

"Supposed" Right letemrot Dec 2012 #106

All of those "freedoms" you billh58 Dec 2012 #120

"Our Turn Bubba" letemrot Dec 2012 #121

you better get use to hearing about that the Murderous NRA are indeed Murderous. Cobalt Violet Dec 2012 #36

Murderous NRA are indeed Murderous letemrot Dec 2012 #110

I doubt you read my whole post. Your reply is unthoughtful and extreme. ENOUGH of THAT. RBInMaine Dec 2012 #3

I DID READ IT Skittles Dec 2012 #4

No, ENOUGH of YOUR intolerance. The Democratic Party is NOT the Left's version of the TeaBaggers. RBInMaine Dec 2012 #9

Get the fuck out! Le Taz Hot Dec 2012 #46

Here's the jury response to this vile post: Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #95

Good choice. Le Taz Hot Dec 2012 #109

You're a real piece of work. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #122

One can only be intolerant billh58 Dec 2012 #105

Apparently you need to read it again, especially the first paragraph. RBInMaine Dec 2012 #10

So it is ok to BASH OBAMA here, but an NRA member gets censored? That is actually your view? hmm... RBInMaine Dec 2012 #11

Maybe there is a bit of leftwing nuttery roaming around. Ultra purity is rather unhealthy on both RBInMaine Dec 2012 #13

That is only YOUR billh58 Dec 2012 #107

So you want DU to become the Left's version of FreeRepublic? hmmm... RBInMaine Dec 2012 #14

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #16

Personal attacks are over the top (accusing RB of being mental and needing "meds"). Pls stop. nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2012 #20

Nice attempt at billh58 Dec 2012 #108

You need to be more tolerant of more babies being killed. Cobalt Violet Dec 2012 #53

Yeah yeah the "big tent" bs RandiFan1290 Dec 2012 #5

The last thing we need to be is the Left's version of the TeaBaggers. Please, be real. RBInMaine Dec 2012 #8

You are not on the left, so please refrain from using "we" while equating us with Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #43

You keep repeating that billh58 Dec 2012 #111

There are conservatives who vote for Democratic party candidates Kolesar Dec 2012 #70

Democratic gun owners, fine. The NRA, no, Waiting For Everyman Dec 2012 #6

Don't like the NRA? Then don't join. Refute it. But shun some who joins? That's democracy? hmm... RBInMaine Dec 2012 #7

Would you say the same about the KKK? thucythucy Dec 2012 #99

Gun owners are no longer allowed to frame the course of gun control MyNameGoesHere Dec 2012 #12

You are making a serious mistake lumping all gun owners together like this, and you are forgetting RBInMaine Dec 2012 #15

I don't think he is. aandegoons Dec 2012 #19

+1 FailureToCommunicate Dec 2012 #72

"You are making a serious mistake lumping all gun owners together " rainlillie Dec 2012 #67

Yes, And This American Is Sick And Tired Of Gun Owners Dictating Their Paranoia On The Rest Of Us cantbeserious Dec 2012 #100

We don't want to billh58 Dec 2012 #115

You will never, ever change that... Science Geek Dec 2012 #117

Yup , they are baby killers now. Cobalt Violet Dec 2012 #42

I'm all for censoring an organization here that partners with CPAC and ALEC Major Nikon Dec 2012 #17

Isn't is better to debate Madam Mossfern Dec 2012 #18

Freepers, Holocaust Deniers, Chemtrailers, Pedophiles... Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #30

May I offer you a quote? Le Taz Hot Dec 2012 #51

Very well stated blueamy66 Dec 2012 #64

Thank You For Reminding Us That Arguing With Gun Owners Is Futile - What Was I Thinking cantbeserious Dec 2012 #101

+1 one of the all time hifiguy Dec 2012 #116

Great quote bongbong Dec 2012 #127

Uhhh.....no. kurtzapril4 Dec 2012 #131

I'll sign a MichaelHarris Dec 2012 #21

is it mandatory for all gun enthusiasts to be members of the NRA? It's a lobbying arm for the GOP boilerbabe Dec 2012 #22

Yes, you are right davidpdx Dec 2012 #58

Why do you want to support the NRA? FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2012 #23

It is about mental health, half the kids in schools are on meds, oldbanjo Dec 2012 #27

It's not just about mental health FunkyLeprechaun Dec 2012 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #31

it also implies cowardice - they cannot defend their own warped views DrDan Dec 2012 #34

I'm a Democrat TheAmbivalante Dec 2012 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #29

the "cowardly tactic" is not standing up to the NRA/gun nuts DrDan Dec 2012 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #26

believe I shall support it . . . we have had enough DrDan Dec 2012 #28

I have no problem with the intolerance and censoring of bigots and republicon talking points here corkhead Dec 2012 #35

Fuck the NRA and fuck those who support it. trumad Dec 2012 #37

Agreed. Where is the "unrec" when you really need it? FailureToCommunicate Dec 2012 #73

Question. Why, of all right-wing lobbies, should the NRA be the one where we allow DanTex Dec 2012 #38

Our tent is not big enought for the NRA Baby Killers! n/t Cobalt Violet Dec 2012 #39

It isn't' that we don't appreciate guns lexx21 Dec 2012 #40

Family research council too. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #41

I won't sign the ban post either. For the reasons you state, and others. geckosfeet Dec 2012 #44

no to purity tests bloomington-lib Dec 2012 #45

You sure have gone out of your way to fight for an organization you don't even belong too. sellitman Dec 2012 #47

Good point. FailureToCommunicate Dec 2012 #74

We must fight. mainstreetonce Dec 2012 #48

allowing support of an organization that actively spends massive dollars..... virtualobserver Dec 2012 #50

Sorry, supporting the NRA is supporting a Republican propaganda machine. Scuba Dec 2012 #52

Let me start by saying I hate guns. sunwyn Dec 2012 #54

Should we not? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #55

I agree and have said so in other threads davidpdx Dec 2012 #56

Evidence should otherwise be required? That would slow things down. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #112

I hope you just were missing the sarcasm tag on that one davidpdx Dec 2012 #119

Yea, not serious. But some here are. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #125

Disagree Say Yes Ban NRA Support At DU cantbeserious Dec 2012 #57

Well, your post is filled with lofty ideals, but.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #59

Go join the Stand Your DU Ground dot com site and take your gun fetish with you. nt valerief Dec 2012 #60

Sorry, I don't support murder-enablers like the NRA RetroLounge Dec 2012 #61

+1 freedom fighter jh Dec 2012 #62

I already said "NO" and I don't need another petition to do that! MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #63

I don't agree with the NRA, but I support the right rainlillie Dec 2012 #65

Fuck the NRA. 99Forever Dec 2012 #66

Is there not some alternative group to the NRA that would be more consistent with our values? grantcart Dec 2012 #68

The problem is that... B Stieg Dec 2012 #69

The NRA membership rosesaylavee Dec 2012 #71

You can be a gun owner without supporting the NRA Marrah_G Dec 2012 #75

You can even be a NRA member without supporting the NRA JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #79

Just being a member gives them another number to add to their membership Marrah_G Dec 2012 #83

There are dues. And there are campaigns asking for donations ... JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #92

Seems to be a NO BRAINER. NRA violates DU Terms of Service Pholus Dec 2012 #76

NRA=ALEC= rightwing propaganda machine MightyMopar Dec 2012 #77

MEGA FUCK THE NRA... Hepburn Dec 2012 #78

The NRA is a RW organization -- period obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #80

NRA = GOP RomneyLies Dec 2012 #81

My view of the right to keep and bear arms is more expansive than the NRA's TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #82

The NRA is the propaganda wing of the GOP. They routinely send out lists of "their" candidates to Erose999 Dec 2012 #84

Good post Saboburns Dec 2012 #85

Please tell me how the interests of the DU community and the NRA are congruent. Tell me how the NRA Erose999 Dec 2012 #89

Calls to ban the NRA on DemocraticUnderground is a knee jerk reaction Saboburns Dec 2012 #90

IMO the NRA has as much American blood on its hands as Al Qaeda. Whether you interpret that as a Erose999 Dec 2012 #97

We ARE a diverse party, but support for a right-wing terrorist organization is beyond the pale DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #86

Sorry RB but I no longer believe that any decent person could continue to support the NRA. They do OregonBlue Dec 2012 #87

+1 freshwest Dec 2012 #129

Fuck the NRA, Fuck the gun kooks, Fuck guns we can do it Dec 2012 #88

If only we had a forum for that ... JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #91

I thought so too but the gun shit keeps floating upward we can do it Dec 2012 #93

Usually not too much JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #96

I agree and hope its soon we can do it Dec 2012 #98

Bite me. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #94

Say Yes To Rid DU Of The Gun Enablers And Apologists cantbeserious Dec 2012 #102

obvious extrapolations would be as if one were a member of Heritage Foundation.. LanternWaste Dec 2012 #103

You forgot to mention that billh58 Dec 2012 #104

The GOP. The NRA. Fox News. Politicub Dec 2012 #113

I DESPISE the NRA, bvar22 Dec 2012 #114

ok, here is why i said yes. DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #118

You mean this NRA? neverforget Dec 2012 #123

I came up with a solution davidpdx Dec 2012 #124

I do not believe that people should advocate for the NRA on this site. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #126

Fuck the NRA jberryhill Dec 2012 #128

Censorship does happen on this site... cynatnite Dec 2012 #130

Locking. Violet_Crumble Dec 2012 #132