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(12,598 posts) Sat Mar 1, 2025, 05:05 PM Mar 2025

The Sum of All Fears: Trump will announce a U.S.arms embargo on Ukraine, [View all]

and further embargo any NATO member that continues to supply U.S. Arms to Ukraine.

One possible scenario : Trump will negotiate a deal will give Putin all that Russia wants then will tell Zelensky that if he does not agree, he will get no more U.S. arms. If Ukraine rejects the offer, the arms embargo will go into effect.

This is the view of former UK minister Rory Steward, on The Rest is Politics podcast @19:10; A worst case scenario is likely.

https://www.youtube.com/live/P07-8ZLiChI?si=8WcR0VX6UFxSDX3k

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if that were to happen... Europe will dissolve NATO lapfog_1 Mar 2025 #1

Be wary. The US is the armorer of the world. cachukis Mar 2025 #2

US will lose billions of dollars in contracts too newdeal2 Mar 2025 #3

Ultimately, but when you need bombs today? cachukis Mar 2025 #10

Isn't that what poot face wants.. Cha Mar 2025 #16

Trump has to show his autocratic chops. cachukis Mar 2025 #44

China. Crunchy Frog Mar 2025 #42

Contractors will not uphold what the CiC says. They'll continue to sell arms to NATO and/or EU countries. ancianita Mar 2025 #26

the military is probably the only thing of value stillcool Mar 2025 #31

I wish whatever state wanted to secede would do it already. Initech Mar 2025 #4

It's Not Like That Y'all... MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #6

sorry, but we must reduce the resources that the "USA" ( Trump ) can command lapfog_1 Mar 2025 #8

Then what can be done? Initech Mar 2025 #13

Forming Bonds Across State Lines To Accomplish Our National And Local Goals MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #15

The bad thing is no matter what we do, the propaganda will still be shitty. Initech Mar 2025 #18

I was musing about that possibility for the first time today. yardwork Mar 2025 #7

They don't have to dissolve NATO as trump has effectively pulled us out and side with Russia. brush Mar 2025 #39

That has been a forgone conclusion all along. DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #5

two things that might help Ukraine lapfog_1 Mar 2025 #11

Good ideas DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #17

Europe should kick the US out of NATO Ritabert Mar 2025 #9

They have and they will lapfog_1 Mar 2025 #14

With those, DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #19

NATO can not afford to kick the US out. Dynamic Unicorn Mar 2025 #22

Dumpy can't unilaterally end our NATO membership, but I think I saw where rubio is planning on defunding it PortTack Mar 2025 #25

I think you are correct. I'm not sure what can be done without congress. Dynamic Unicorn Mar 2025 #37

Yes, President Biden saw the bill signed into law b4 the last midterms. PortTack Mar 2025 #66

The US provides 15.8% of Nato expenditures, not 2/3rds. The 2/3rds claim is RW disinfo. Celerity Mar 2025 #35

You are correct, that is the NATO budget. Dynamic Unicorn Mar 2025 #40

You've just been corrected once on spreading misinformation. Prepare to be corrected again. Emrys Mar 2025 #47

You have missed the entire point of what I said. Dynamic Unicorn Mar 2025 #49

The article I cited, if you bother to read it, also covers lesser claims. Emrys Mar 2025 #53

With this further clarification, I think you and I agree on these issues. Dynamic Unicorn Mar 2025 #60

I think we do in general, and yes, discussion's always good, and encourages me, at least, to stretch myself Emrys Mar 2025 #62

Excellent post and again, we agree. Dynamic Unicorn Mar 2025 #63

They have literally saved the war for Ukraine Emrys Mar 2025 #64

Real number estimates range between 114 billion Crunchy Frog Mar 2025 #48

I have little doubt that the reported numbers are inflated Dynamic Unicorn Mar 2025 #54

It's not made it to Ukraine because it or the materiel it represents has never left the US Emrys Mar 2025 #55

There's a big difference between allocated and distributed. Crunchy Frog Mar 2025 #59

And BTW, looking at your profile, I see that you've been here a whole... Crunchy Frog Mar 2025 #61

And Dump has just handed Ukraine over to his best pal, Pootie-Poot sakabatou Mar 2025 #12

I read somewhere DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #21

they largely build their own drones lapfog_1 Mar 2025 #27

They certainly could come from elsewhere DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #38

Ukraine does have a growing domestic drone manufacturing set-up, largely decentralized, Emrys Mar 2025 #50

I'm sure President Zelensky and all of the EU expected this. I believe that's why Zelensky was so able to keep PortTack Mar 2025 #20

I'm sure all of the arms manufacturers here are going to love that. GoCubsGo Mar 2025 #23

This i mentioned yesterday. bluestarone Mar 2025 #24

I think an even.worse scenario is possible Diraven Mar 2025 #28

Breaking - UK pledges 2.26bn to Ukraine as Zelensky says it will be used for weapons stillcool Mar 2025 #29

It's bluster. Even if the felon directed an embargo on Ukraine ancianita Mar 2025 #30

Thx for the informed opinion and info...sure makes me feel better! PortTack Mar 2025 #34

That will break the country C_U_L8R Mar 2025 #32

Dissolve NATO. creon Mar 2025 #33

Wut? Just kick the US off the NATO list and there are still 31 NATO nations left. ancianita Mar 2025 #45

That can be done as well. creon Mar 2025 #65

and then Donald gives those arms to Russia to help misunderstood victim Vlad. Norrrm Mar 2025 #36

Seriously? Current weapons contractors will just play along, but no, they won't take rubles. ancianita Mar 2025 #46

Well, they might take rubles if laundered through the NRA. Norrrm Mar 2025 #52

I have said it before. The USSR played a long game. JanMichael Mar 2025 #41

When JD Vance was little he hid the Sears catalog under his bed. Oneironaut Mar 2025 #43

TRAITOR! elleng Mar 2025 #51

Well, according to some legal experts, B.See Mar 2025 #56

If that's so, mustn't it be followed up? elleng Mar 2025 #57

A whole LOT of B.See Mar 2025 #58

TSF is going to end up making China again. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2025 #67