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Initech

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13. Then what can be done?

Reply to MayReasonRule (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 1, 2025, 05:59 PM

Mar 2025

Reasoning hasn't worked. Finding common ground hasn't worked. What will?

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The Sum of All Fears: Trump will announce a U.S.arms embargo on Ukraine, [View all] speak easy Mar 2025 OP

if that were to happen... Europe will dissolve NATO lapfog_1 Mar 2025 #1

Be wary. The US is the armorer of the world. cachukis Mar 2025 #2

US will lose billions of dollars in contracts too newdeal2 Mar 2025 #3

Ultimately, but when you need bombs today? cachukis Mar 2025 #10

Isn't that what poot face wants.. Cha Mar 2025 #16

Trump has to show his autocratic chops. cachukis Mar 2025 #44

China. Crunchy Frog Mar 2025 #42

Contractors will not uphold what the CiC says. They'll continue to sell arms to NATO and/or EU countries. ancianita Mar 2025 #26

the military is probably the only thing of value stillcool Mar 2025 #31

I wish whatever state wanted to secede would do it already. Initech Mar 2025 #4

It's Not Like That Y'all... MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #6

sorry, but we must reduce the resources that the "USA" ( Trump ) can command lapfog_1 Mar 2025 #8

Then what can be done? Initech Mar 2025 #13

Forming Bonds Across State Lines To Accomplish Our National And Local Goals MayReasonRule Mar 2025 #15

The bad thing is no matter what we do, the propaganda will still be shitty. Initech Mar 2025 #18

I was musing about that possibility for the first time today. yardwork Mar 2025 #7

They don't have to dissolve NATO as trump has effectively pulled us out and side with Russia. brush Mar 2025 #39

That has been a forgone conclusion all along. DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #5

two things that might help Ukraine lapfog_1 Mar 2025 #11

Good ideas DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #17

Europe should kick the US out of NATO Ritabert Mar 2025 #9

They have and they will lapfog_1 Mar 2025 #14

With those, DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #19

NATO can not afford to kick the US out. Dynamic Unicorn Mar 2025 #22

Dumpy can't unilaterally end our NATO membership, but I think I saw where rubio is planning on defunding it PortTack Mar 2025 #25

I think you are correct. I'm not sure what can be done without congress. Dynamic Unicorn Mar 2025 #37

Yes, President Biden saw the bill signed into law b4 the last midterms. PortTack Mar 2025 #66

The US provides 15.8% of Nato expenditures, not 2/3rds. The 2/3rds claim is RW disinfo. Celerity Mar 2025 #35

You are correct, that is the NATO budget. Dynamic Unicorn Mar 2025 #40

You've just been corrected once on spreading misinformation. Prepare to be corrected again. Emrys Mar 2025 #47

You have missed the entire point of what I said. Dynamic Unicorn Mar 2025 #49

The article I cited, if you bother to read it, also covers lesser claims. Emrys Mar 2025 #53

With this further clarification, I think you and I agree on these issues. Dynamic Unicorn Mar 2025 #60

I think we do in general, and yes, discussion's always good, and encourages me, at least, to stretch myself Emrys Mar 2025 #62

Excellent post and again, we agree. Dynamic Unicorn Mar 2025 #63

They have literally saved the war for Ukraine Emrys Mar 2025 #64

Real number estimates range between 114 billion Crunchy Frog Mar 2025 #48

I have little doubt that the reported numbers are inflated Dynamic Unicorn Mar 2025 #54

It's not made it to Ukraine because it or the materiel it represents has never left the US Emrys Mar 2025 #55

There's a big difference between allocated and distributed. Crunchy Frog Mar 2025 #59

And BTW, looking at your profile, I see that you've been here a whole... Crunchy Frog Mar 2025 #61

And Dump has just handed Ukraine over to his best pal, Pootie-Poot sakabatou Mar 2025 #12

I read somewhere DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #21

they largely build their own drones lapfog_1 Mar 2025 #27

They certainly could come from elsewhere DENVERPOPS Mar 2025 #38

Ukraine does have a growing domestic drone manufacturing set-up, largely decentralized, Emrys Mar 2025 #50

I'm sure President Zelensky and all of the EU expected this. I believe that's why Zelensky was so able to keep PortTack Mar 2025 #20

I'm sure all of the arms manufacturers here are going to love that. GoCubsGo Mar 2025 #23

This i mentioned yesterday. bluestarone Mar 2025 #24

I think an even.worse scenario is possible Diraven Mar 2025 #28

Breaking - UK pledges 2.26bn to Ukraine as Zelensky says it will be used for weapons stillcool Mar 2025 #29

It's bluster. Even if the felon directed an embargo on Ukraine ancianita Mar 2025 #30

Thx for the informed opinion and info...sure makes me feel better! PortTack Mar 2025 #34

That will break the country C_U_L8R Mar 2025 #32

Dissolve NATO. creon Mar 2025 #33

Wut? Just kick the US off the NATO list and there are still 31 NATO nations left. ancianita Mar 2025 #45

That can be done as well. creon Mar 2025 #65

and then Donald gives those arms to Russia to help misunderstood victim Vlad. Norrrm Mar 2025 #36

Seriously? Current weapons contractors will just play along, but no, they won't take rubles. ancianita Mar 2025 #46

Well, they might take rubles if laundered through the NRA. Norrrm Mar 2025 #52

I have said it before. The USSR played a long game. JanMichael Mar 2025 #41

When JD Vance was little he hid the Sears catalog under his bed. Oneironaut Mar 2025 #43

TRAITOR! elleng Mar 2025 #51

Well, according to some legal experts, B.See Mar 2025 #56

If that's so, mustn't it be followed up? elleng Mar 2025 #57

A whole LOT of B.See Mar 2025 #58

TSF is going to end up making China again. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2025 #67