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Ms. Toad

(38,351 posts)
22. Again - you slammed the ABA. The ABA has zero to do with the complaints you have.
Tue Mar 4, 2025, 06:46 PM
Mar 2025

Either your initial arguments, or the ones you are making now.

As for arguments made in court - an attorney's obligation is to argue an interpretation of the law that serves their client. They cannot misstate the law to the court. But they are free to argue that the law, accurately stated, supports their client's position. That is how the adversarial system works. You don't get sanctioned, or disbarred, for doing your job. It is the judge's (or jury's) job to determine which outcome is consistent with the law.

Personally, I would resign before I made those abhorrent arguments (and, frankly, would not have taken the case/job in the first place - as I have refused to take any job that required me to impose or continue (on appeal) the death penalty). But every client - not matter how horrible is entitled to representation. And representing them by arguing that the law supports their action - no matter how horrific - is not grounds for sanction.

As for Giulianni being the rare case - I see you ignored the rest of the resolved and ongoing ethics cases. And I didn't even list the criminal cases that are being litigated, or have been resolved, against some of the others, since you were focused on license-related consequences.

The ABA's position 3 weeks ago, and now, is solid and courageous - given the retribution that is likely to take place. Your attack on them for matters over which they have absolutely no control is unjustified.

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Kick SheltieLover Mar 2025 #1
The present DOJ and AG..... Lovie777 Mar 2025 #2
How very courageous. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 2025 #3
Rec x100! TheRickles Mar 2025 #4
You might want to fact check before recommending. Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #11
OK, so how about the ABA censuring, disapproving, adverse recommendation, etc.? TheRickles Mar 2025 #15
First - I have no idea whether any of these "bad actors" are members of the ABA. Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #17
Thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed and informative reply. Much appreciated. TheRickles Mar 2025 #28
I'm pretty sure they can influence disbarment proceeedings LymphocyteLover Mar 2025 #34
You would be wrong. Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #37
OK, but the ABA never has a say in that process? LymphocyteLover Mar 2025 #38
No. It doesn't. Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #39
OK, thanks for that! LymphocyteLover Mar 2025 #40
Thanks for sharing. It's sad that while many of us are trying to figure out what we can do, those who LT Barclay Mar 2025 #5
The ABA has nothing to do with disbarring attorneys. n/t Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #10
This is absolutely false. Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #9
So tell us about the bar that has kept faith with the law. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 2025 #12
The American Bar Association is not a bar. Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #16
We can ignore "sanctioning". That's ridiculous in context. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 2025 #20
Again - you slammed the ABA. The ABA has zero to do with the complaints you have. Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #22
Don't give me that Nuremberg bullshit. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 2025 #23
I said absolutely nothing about excusing illegal behavior Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #24
Again, no. No ambiguity. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 2025 #25
Then there is no need for the courts, since everything is clear. Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #26
Dude, just take the L. Tommy Carcetti Mar 2025 #35
Using a technicality to defang a painful fact is a very lawyerly tactic. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 2025 #36
Christ, just stop digging. thebigidea Mar 2025 #41
Ditto. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 2025 #42
The American Bar Association has no authority to disbar anyone. TomSlick Mar 2025 #29
All hands on deck Bluetus Mar 2025 #6
Very Important malaise Mar 2025 #7
Leadership through fear and intimidation leads to nowhere good BOSSHOG Mar 2025 #8
Fantastic 👍👍😁😁 TommieMommy Mar 2025 #13
Not for nothing, they're a voice. ancianita Mar 2025 #14
Not all heroes wear capes some file briefs Maeve Mar 2025 #18
That's all? They need to come together to legally fight for the country. live love laugh Mar 2025 #19
I'm a lawyer and heckles65 Mar 2025 #21
The ABA released its statement ... DoBW Mar 2025 #27
How about they disbar anyone associated with this fascist government? nt Javaman Mar 2025 #30
Well then... 2naSalit Mar 2025 #31
Good News blueseas Mar 2025 #32
Weak tea, indeed dlk Mar 2025 #33
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