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DanTex

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38. Wow. So despite the expansion of conceal-carry rights over the last decade, along

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:01 PM

Dec 2012

with the increase in mass shootings, we still have to go back to 1997 to find a single instance in which a concealed carrier stopped a shooting.

It's time for the gun fanatics to get over the fantasy that more weapons in public is the answer. Even if completely saturating society with guns resulted in, say, 10% of all shootings being stopped in this way, the math just doesn't work.

More guns result in more gun violence. We've tried your way. It's time for sensible gun laws.

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Yeah, I heard some right-wing NRA asshole bring that up on AM radio last night. sadbear Dec 2012 #1

If "some right-wing NRA asshole" says something, it must be false? TPaine7 Dec 2012 #14

I didn't say it was false. It's just a talking point. sadbear Dec 2012 #26

"One anecdote is pretty meaningless." TPaine7 Dec 2012 #37

So one anecdote AlexSatan Dec 2012 #55

One anecdote compared to all the killings and accidental shootings in this country? randome Dec 2012 #57

Oh, I'm sorry. You're right. There have been NO OTHER WELL-DOCUMENTED INSTANCES sadbear Dec 2012 #58

And there have been other well documented AlexSatan Dec 2012 #66

Yup that would have made it all better sharp_stick Dec 2012 #2

Just the facts, sharp_stick. I only gave you facts. There's no make believe in the OP. nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #5

Just as you stated, the case you presented are not comparatable. Tempest Dec 2012 #28

One icident in 31 years RomneyLies Dec 2012 #3

And you know this because you have a background and extensive training in what field again? snooper2 Dec 2012 #8

I know this because it has been tested time and time again RomneyLies Dec 2012 #15

up on youtube now is the Diane Sawyer report on the very thing you talk about rainy Dec 2012 #35

You have no idea whether or not she would have prevailed. TPaine7 Dec 2012 #10

Yes, I do. She would have still been a corpse and would have run a huge risk of shooting a kid RomneyLies Dec 2012 #17

And guess what? randome Dec 2012 #24

It is the one of the biggest piece of shit LIES from the NRA RomneyLies Dec 2012 #34

"Constant training" TPaine7 Dec 2012 #31

What a bunch of crap posting. randome Dec 2012 #39

You actually think "guy looks retired" answers the point. LOL! nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #67

You didn't read the rest? randome Dec 2012 #74

She was in her home environment, knows her surroundings intimately. She doesn't have all kinds of arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #41

You have no idea, either. randome Dec 2012 #21

Hey! I just figured out how to solve the problem of Iran obtaining nukes! Aristus Dec 2012 #4

Every country should have a nuclear arsenal to prevent war Coyotl Dec 2012 #16

And they ought to be allowed to conceal the fact that they have them, too. Aristus Dec 2012 #63

In schools if necessary! Coyotl Dec 2012 #65

As long as they register them, right? arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #45

Wow, once such incident. SheilaT Dec 2012 #6

"One such incident." TPaine7 Dec 2012 #7

You are the one who is trying to promote a position. randome Dec 2012 #29

If this happened as often as the actual SheilaT Dec 2012 #72

GUNS ARE BANNED IN SCHOOLS. That makes it very hard for a teacher to stop a school shooting nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #79

But they're not banned in shopping malls. I don't think SheilaT Dec 2012 #81

The only way a gun should be allowed in a school is by uniformed security. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #9

But ... But ... But ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #18

lol...your #3 made me chuckle... OneGrassRoot Dec 2012 #50

Your welcome ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #56

yeah, arm all the people whose job it is to discipline the most frustratingly misbehaving kids. unblock Dec 2012 #11

Stop, not prevent. eom. Bad Thoughts Dec 2012 #12

I'm reminded of Ronald Reagan, the great teller of anecdotal tales Coyotl Dec 2012 #13

Yet owning more than one weapon millijac Dec 2012 #19

I am sorry for your loss nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #23

Please consider fashioning this into an OP. It will be a useful coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #52

I have been thinking of posting my story as an OP millijac Dec 2012 #73

one more thing... millijac Dec 2012 #76

NRA talking point. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #20

Yah Lithos Dec 2012 #22

~20 mass shootings a year, this was over 15 years ago Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #25

Sure lets store arsenals in schools, great fucking idea Fresh_Start Dec 2012 #27

"Of course no two situations are exactly alike" Tempest Dec 2012 #30

he killed his mom first nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #33

Oh my. You found something minimal to compare. Tempest Dec 2012 #42

That's what I was talkng about in the erie similarity comment in the OP. TPaine7 Dec 2012 #62

It was a real stretch Tempest Dec 2012 #64

yawn... TPaine7 Dec 2012 #68

I understand. Facts can sometimes be boring. n/t Tempest Dec 2012 #75

So the shooter 1) wasn't in the act of shooting 2) was not shot at alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #32

Suppose someone called 911 could the same outcome happened upaloopa Dec 2012 #36

Wow. So despite the expansion of conceal-carry rights over the last decade, along DanTex Dec 2012 #38

Um there are more instances than the one in the OP justanidea Dec 2012 #40

Then go ahead and do the research. Gives us the stats. randome Dec 2012 #43

And terrified housewives with no gun training have killed dangerous intruders Tom Rinaldo Dec 2012 #44

All excellent points. randome Dec 2012 #48

That's one............................. louis-t Dec 2012 #46

But what about the ones he killed at the first school? Do they count for nothing? n/t madmom Dec 2012 #47

Of course. If the asst. principal hadn't had to go to his truck, probably due to the law, TPaine7 Dec 2012 #53

If the shooter hadn't had easy access the his gun, they would all have had a chance! madmom Dec 2012 #59

Sure. He should't have had unsupervised access to a gun. We agree. nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #70

You and I have vastly different definitions of the word 'successfully'. How may coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #49

Who cares. It's still time to enact strict gun control. We no longer care what the NRA thinks or OregonBlue Dec 2012 #51

Yes, let's make our school administrators have to play cop... liberalmuse Dec 2012 #54

Let's start at the beginning the mothers of these monsters The_Casual_Observer Dec 2012 #60

I'm different--I wish the SHOOTER had never had access to a gun. And my wish librechik Dec 2012 #61

No, he didn't stop anything. VenusRising Dec 2012 #69

Oh, but the kid was "on his way" to "another school" alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #71

Yeah. VenusRising Dec 2012 #77

An ex-policeman who happened to be a school principle intaglio Dec 2012 #78

Yes, any story, from whatever source that doesn't support your worldview is from the NRA. nt TPaine7 Dec 2012 #80